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Cease and Desist, Copyrights - What do you want to know? (updated!) [message #28930] Sun, 12 June 2011 16:25 UTC Go to next message
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Paramount Pictures's lawyers sent me a cease and desist letter on Friday for a model I uploaded on Thursday night, and told me to take it down. It was a replica white funky cube shaped object from their new movie. I complied. I don't want to sit in a courtroom for the rest of the year. This is an interesting topic for discussion.

This is the rendering Shapeways produced from the .stl file I uploaded of the CAD model I created which looks similar to the prop used in Paramount's film. I am no longer offering these for sale, and am complying with Paramount's demands.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-A85YNEA4Hmc/TfFtCeR2g7I/AAAAAAAAGOY/akIcFKXFNOk/s800/273753.v0.s17.convert.large.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Iy7NdyhfvB0/TfEjq9AyDII/AAAAAAAAGN8/aZ5nMcmlQJ8/s800/super%2525208001.jpg

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28931 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 16:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well they are watching this website very well!
uploading a file and getting a cease and desist letter the next day!
Re: Cease and Desist [message #28933 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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very interesting topic

How did you come by this design? is it a work in progress as a new movie? or is the movie out already?



Strange... i have a similar model i uploaded on April 15th this year
(actually its from last year - i re opened my shop on April)

http://www.shapeways.com/openfile/241414/241414.v0.s13.convert.large.jpg


I wonder if i should send them a cease and desist ? Cool



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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28934 is a reply to message #28933 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:32 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Their film came out Friday in the states, and their trailer was released several months ago.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28935 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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title? link?

very interesting.

lot's of props are on shapeways...


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28936 is a reply to message #28934 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:40 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@Todd wow. Well, it's interesting to say the least.

Guys, please be sure to keep me and the rest of the SW team up to date on these sorts of things.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28937 is a reply to message #28935 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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june 10th:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_8_(film)

i guess this one Wink
Re: Cease and Desist [message #28938 is a reply to message #28936 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:46 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ana wrote on Sun, 12 June 2011 18:40

@Todd wow. Well, it's interesting to say the least.

Guys, please be sure to keep me and the rest of the SW team up to date on these sorts of things.



Totally will.

Duann and I skyped about it on Friday

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28940 is a reply to message #28938 ] Sun, 12 June 2011 18:49 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@Todd Yep, and Duann filled me in. I was just moreso reiterating it for everyone in the communty. Wink

@Jettuh Guess so. Well done.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28960 is a reply to message #28930 ] Mon, 13 June 2011 14:09 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I never even noticed that in the preview. Is it just me or is it different? The glimpse I saw of it, I thought it didn't have the corner cubes.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #28961 is a reply to message #28960 ] Mon, 13 June 2011 14:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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some do some don't. I think the hero prop has them broken off.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29187 is a reply to message #28930 ] Thu, 16 June 2011 18:52 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That sure was quick. Shocked

I was going to see the movie anyway, so I'll have to look out for this... whatever it is.

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29752 is a reply to message #29187 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 03:45 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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video in action of the single one i ordered before i got the C&D letter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2luYXbUd0


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29754 is a reply to message #29752 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 04:03 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, that is a great video, thanks for showing us exactly how you got it to vibrate Smile


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29755 is a reply to message #29754 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 06:11 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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front page of boingboing.net

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/27/paramount-sends-copy.ht ml


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29764 is a reply to message #29755 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 08:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow,
Impressive speed! This is an interesting subject as shapeways has obviously caught the attention of big franchise. I wonder though how much the opposite is happening? I am unaware if this has been posted on the forum before but Urban Outfitters ripped of an indie designer (not shapeways related) and started selling the design as their own. This designer obviously could not afford to take legal action so instead they blogged about it and the support from the web was so strong that Urban Outfitters stopped selling the design. I feel that copyright and design protection is a little bit of a gray area perhaps, or not fully matured yet regarding digital file 3D printing? I was happy to read about this little win for an indie designer. Read more here. http://www.ashevillefashions.com/2011/05/boycott-urban-outfi tters-for-ripping-off-indie-designers.html

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29787 is a reply to message #29764 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 18:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i also saw this article covering the Urban outfitters -etsy ripoff, and it just goes to prove that there are very few original ideas. it's a tricky debate of who owns what.

Personally in this case of todd's vibrating cube, I'd want him to post it unless paramount is selling or planning on selling something similar themselves. If it's not available anywhere else the community should have a right to make something available. (i feel similarly about media pirating, if I can get it easily/legally then I'll go for that, if not but it's available by other means then...) But on top of that, I don't think the community has the right to profit off of someone else's proprietary design, it should just be made available for free. that's all just my opinion on an interesting topic.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29788 is a reply to message #29787 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 18:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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QMx Quantum Mechanix Inc has a license from Paramount to produce the super 8 replicas and they'll be doing that this summer


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29804 is a reply to message #28930 ] Mon, 27 June 2011 23:23 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I see you made boingboing http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/27/paramount-sends-copy.ht ml
Re: Cease and Desist [message #29851 is a reply to message #28930 ] Tue, 28 June 2011 14:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also in spanish :

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/tecnologia/Paramount/denuncia /caso/pirateria/impresora/3D/elpeputec/20110628elpeputec_5/T es


Now that i finally get to see what this cube looks like :

index.php?t=getfile&id=9690&private=0



I have to say it realy resembles (Verb: Have qualities or features, esp. those of appearance, in common with (someone or something); look or seem like) my Fractal Cube Pendant model... no? Rolling Eyes



http://www.shapeways.com/openfile/241414/241414.v0.s13.convert.large.jpg

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29852 is a reply to message #28930 ] Tue, 28 June 2011 14:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to say the super 8 cube looks more like your Fractal Cube Pendant than the OP's cube.

So does that mean you are going to send them a cease and desist for the movie?


Seriously though don't see how they can stop anyone producing anything that looks somehow vaguely like their prop - after a few more movies there will be no more shapes left for the rest of us to use at this rate.
Re: Cease and Desist [message #29853 is a reply to message #29852 ] Tue, 28 June 2011 14:48 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think they're mainly upset since it was on shapeways for sale. Granted I made no sales since I got the email so quickly, but that's what they're most upset about, if I had to guess.

The cube you just posted maybe was a concept version? The one in the film doesn't look like that at all.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29854 is a reply to message #28930 ] Tue, 28 June 2011 14:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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its from that spanish link


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29855 is a reply to message #29854 ] Tue, 28 June 2011 15:00 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So are we all going to have to go and see Super 8 now to find out what the cube really looks like?

Maybe this was all a cunning ploy by Paramount........
Re: Cease and Desist [message #29856 is a reply to message #29855 ] Tue, 28 June 2011 15:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i really enjoyed the flick. brought me back to the classic films like ET & Goonies.


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29921 is a reply to message #28930 ] Wed, 29 June 2011 20:42 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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more buzz:

http://torrentfreak.com/paramount-cease-and-desist-targets-3 d-printer-pirate-110628/

(i get these links from my Google analytics)


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29946 is a reply to message #28930 ] Thu, 30 June 2011 09:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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in Germany we heard today about it ...

Unbelievable!

http://futurezone.at/digitallife/3835-filmstudio-verbietet-3 d-druck-von-super-8-wuerfel.php

Greetings from Germany!




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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29949 is a reply to message #28930 ] Thu, 30 June 2011 13:03 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yet more.. this time some very interesting quotes about the validity of copyright claim on 3D printed items...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/paramount-no -3d-printing-of-our-alien-super-8-cubes.ars

Quote:

even aliens have IP rights



Also finally a comparison of baltimore's super 8 model and the prop on the movie
- it doesn't look like mine.. so they are safe from my lawyers for now Razz

http://static.arstechnica.net/assets/2011/06/super8cube_intro-thumb-640xauto-23037.jpg

http://static.arstechnica.com/06-28-2011/cube_bad2.jpg





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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29950 is a reply to message #28930 ] Thu, 30 June 2011 13:19 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And to further muddy the waters there is now a Public Domain licensed version on the thingverse

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9744

So now what happens if we all download this and get it printed at Shapeways???

Are the lawyers coming after all of us?
Re: Cease and Desist [message #29952 is a reply to message #28930 ] Thu, 30 June 2011 13:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lets see in 24 hours..

I think they're going to get that Cease and Desist letter

As for printing a copyright item for your self and only for your self on Shapeways - that's already a known fact - you can.

Like my World of Warcraft sculptures:
http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=4647&a mp;start=0&

http://www.shapeways.com/openfile/241979/photos/photo38124.jpg







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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29953 is a reply to message #29950 ] Thu, 30 June 2011 13:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tebee wrote on Thu, 30 June 2011 13:19

So now what happens if we all download this and get it printed at Shapeways???

Are the lawyers coming after all of us?


Not if it's private and printed only for yourself...

Now if only I can get my factory in China up and running with this as quick as possible Twisted Evil

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #29954 is a reply to message #28930 ] Thu, 30 June 2011 13:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well it's a PD design so you can go and download it and take it to your factory in China - not that they would care anyway.

Of course getting the finished product back into the US might be interesting but you could probably corner the Pacific market.

But now the STL file is out what's to stop people distributing it further - maybe even put in on the Pirate bay?
Re: Cease and Desist [message #30149 is a reply to message #29954 ] Sun, 03 July 2011 15:03 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Time also, and Hollywood reporter, and dozens more!

http://techland.time.com/2011/06/30/roll-over-movie-bootlegg ers-its-all-about-3d-prop-printing-now/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/hollywoods-next-big -piracy-fight-206859

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #30150 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sun, 03 July 2011 15:14 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@ baltimore I saw the movie yesterday .. what can i say ..Spielberg has lost it.

I conclude that you were a pond in a PR ploy to boost sales of a stupid prop that had barely 5 minutes of total screen exposure..

I doubt any kid who saw the movie even noticed it.. to realy want one..

Those lawyers that sent you this Cease and Desist must be laughing their asses off ! Very Happy




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It can't be that because if I hadn't submitted the article to boingboing, no one would have picked up the story. I like the theory though!

Another untrue theory going around on some of the comments I've seen posted is that I don't even exist and that the entire thing of me even making the item was a lie and a ploy to get more interest in the movie =)


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #30153 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sun, 03 July 2011 17:06 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You must be real - you're a Stormtrooper !!

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #30533 is a reply to message #30153 ] Sat, 09 July 2011 19:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess this is the answer to this thread....



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Re: Cease and Desist [message #30534 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sat, 09 July 2011 19:26 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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haha well he got my 5 stars.. and a free offer to hollow it out .. its too expensive


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Re: Cease and Desist [message #30536 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sat, 09 July 2011 19:56 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perhaps he's jealous and wants a letter from Paramount too!

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Re: Cease and Desist [message #30545 is a reply to message #28930 ] Sat, 09 July 2011 22:47 UTC Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Maybe we should all make one - see how many cease and desists we can get them to send out Twisted Evil

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