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Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66619] Mon, 22 April 2013 10:36 UTC Go to next message
avatar Plumguy  is currently offline Plumguy
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When my 3D item arrived as Full Color Sandstone,
it seems that it is not really RED as intended but
more like ORANGE.
Is there a particular HEX code that should be used to
get a true color?
Thanks!
Ray
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Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66629 is a reply to message #66619 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 14:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had someone describe it as similar to a color photocopy from the 1980's.

Details will get blurred, color will be imprecise.

I've been adding solid blocks of color to my textures and mapping them to elements of the model individually.
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66630 is a reply to message #66629 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 15:02 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the advice.
So you think that texture mapping
is the better way to go to get accurate colors?
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66632 is a reply to message #66630 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 15:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I actually didnt know there was any other way. How did you specify the red to be used in yours?

I've always uploaded a Wrl file with a jpg map. (from 3dMax).

(Colors still come out blurry and washed out though. ie, xerox circa 1986).

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Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66634 is a reply to message #66619 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 15:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is also vertex mapping. Check out this post where printing results have previously been examined.


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Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66635 is a reply to message #66632 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 15:36 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, I used Blender 2.49 (I'm definitely no expert)
I originally experimented with texture mapping for sparkly backgrounds but not for colors.
I recently settled on linking the appropriate faces to the color needed within Blender
and exporting as a vrml file.
The result looked great on the Shapeways preview, but the actual printed object not exactly.
I'm going to try texture mapping again and see what happens.
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66637 is a reply to message #66635 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 16:08 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What value were you using for red ? In my limited experience - also using "vertex painting", i.e. attaching color values
to vrml primitives directly, plain RGB red 1.,0.,0. is a bit bright and washed-out, but 0.55,0.09,0.09 gives a nice dark red.
(No personal magic behind these values - this is "Scarlet" as defined in the POV raytracer.)
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66639 is a reply to message #66637 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 16:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I used HEX codes. However, I'll try RGB colors and see what I get.
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66641 is a reply to message #66639 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 16:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hex should not be an issue here, unless Blender gets the conversion wrong - they should end up as
triplets of decimal numbers between 0 and 1 in the diffuseColor entries of your vrml or x3d file.
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66642 is a reply to message #66634 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 16:56 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow.

Thanks. That opens up a whole new realm.

I read the shapeways "tutorials" and didnt see any mention of that,

Typical of shapeways.

Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66645 is a reply to message #66642 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 17:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Typical of shapeways.

Typical that you sometimes have to search through the forum to learn more,
typical that there is a forum where you can learn from others,
or both ?
Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66646 is a reply to message #66645 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 17:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well since you ask...

When a "Tutorial" is provided by the printing service I dont assume that there's further information that requires me to search a user forum to find.

I just assumed that the information related to a particular material would be complete. Is that too much for a customer to expect?



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Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66647 is a reply to message #66646 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 17:49 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://shpws.me/lUx1
Check the additional images of this wafer.. one of them has the hex colors used.
This object is very small.. not quite 3/4" across, and the pads are very close, such that there is quite a bit of bleeding between the colors.


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Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66656 is a reply to message #66646 ] Mon, 22 April 2013 18:27 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MikeP wrote on Mon, 22 April 2013 17:41

Well since you ask...

When a "Tutorial" is provided by the printing service I dont assume that there's further information that requires me to search a user forum to find.

I just assumed that the information related to a particular material would be complete. Is that too much for a customer to expect?





Our tutorials aren't perfect. If you see anything that needs to be improved let us know. One problem is there are lots of different software packages, that do things differently. The best way to find out how to do something say in Blender, is to go to a Blender community. You can always ask on our forums, we have lots of Blender Junkies, and our European community manager, Bart, is quite the Blender Guru.


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Re: Full Color Sandstone - Not True Color? [message #66675 is a reply to message #66619 ] Tue, 23 April 2013 00:41 UTC Go to previous message
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Based on tests try R 0x91 (or 0xB6 for a lighter and a bit orange red), G 0x24, B 0x00 (or 0x24). That model is printed using UV mapping with PNG files (same 3D app, GIMP for the images). You aren't going to get photo quality anyway, and the color will vary with orientation and coating.

The model also shows strange behaviours, maybe visual illusions, maybe the printer selecting poor ink mixes, as in some of the grids you can see some squares "repeating" instead of changing in progression, or going "against" what would you hope. In the second photo of the printed model you can see the 0x24 zone with the colors suggested (look at the blue-red wall, they are near the edge of that wall with the red-green one), but also a weird square (look at the red-green wall, the first from center is dark violet, the next is dark green, darker, it should be lighter).

 
   
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