ProJet HD 3000plus with 16 micron resolution - coming to Shapeways soon?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jzichek, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. jzichek
    jzichek New Member
    I was researching the ProJet HD 3000 and discovered that there is an improved model on the market, the HD 3000plus: nal-3d-printer

    According to the specs, it has a 60% larger build envelope and a 16 micron resolution, which I believe is superior to the current FUD resolution of 28 microns. Does Shapeways have any plans to use these printers in the near future?


  2. GWMT
    GWMT New Member
    8 x 7 x 6 is better than 5 x 7 x 6 but I hope they can expand UHD (aka FUD) and XHD build volume to match HD (aka FD) at 11.75 x 7.3 x 8 or larger.
  3. stannum
    stannum Well-Known Member
    Have they improved the issues with support material leaving a bad texture in the final part?
  4. jzichek
    jzichek New Member
    XHD at 11.75 x 7.3 x 8 inches or larger - that would indeed be awesome! However, I'd be happy with XHD at the smaller build volume too.

    Of course, if Shapeways can't solve the problem of surface roughness where the wax support material meets the resin, then it won't be of much use - for me at least. I received a FUD reprint last month and a recent cleaning revealed that the problem remains. The roughness is, of course, in an area that I can't sand without ruining the detail, so into the trash it goes. I'm trying Moddler next to see if they can produce a better quality print.

  5. GWMT
    GWMT New Member
    There's a lot of things I'd like to print in FUD that are longer than 8 inches.

    The only solution to the roughness problem where the support material touches the object is to re-orient or re-design the object so the sensitive area won't be in contact with support material. The layers of support and print material slightly overlap each other (like looking at the end of a pile of logs).

    A perfectly calibrated machine only minimizes the roughness, it'll never be completely eliminated.
  6. jzichek
    jzichek New Member
    Given this fact, being able to specify orientation of the parts is absolutely essential - then we can at least attempt to engineer our objects to minimize the problem. Let's hope that option appears here ASAP.
  7. Roy_Stevens
    Roy_Stevens New Member
    Looking at the specs of the 3000HD, it's only the Z axis that gets improved resolution. The X and Y axis are stil 750x750 so it wouldn't really help, especially since Shapeways orients our prints willy-nilly.

  8. Sadwargamer
    Sadwargamer New Member
    I received a print sample at 16microns from the supplier here in the UK and WOW - the detail was amazing - certainly far better than the FUD model I received from shapeways. So I would certainly go 16 microns if made available.

    More importantly there were no problems with surface quality (no ripples or lines etc...) so I was very impressed...

    Its been a month or so since i checked and just wondering of the print quality issue has been resolved with FUD?

    Last edited: Feb 9, 2012
  9. darthviper107
    darthviper107 New Member

    They've fixed the random ripples and lines that have been on prints (at least on the last two prints I got). But there's still orientation roughness.

    Weird though on my last print, both sides were extremely smooth, but they were both pretty much flat, then there were rounded shapes that had the roughness on one side, but the flat parts on the same side didn't have the roughness.
  10. Tamert
    Tamert New Member
    I use another vendor that provides the higher resolution process (as opposed to FUD here on shapeways). I'm very happy with the results. I've found it much easier to meet tightly tolerances specifications with the higher resolution process. I use the "HD Blue" material.
  11. GWMT
    GWMT New Member
    ZoomRP in California? How do their prices compare to Shapeways?
  12. Tamert
    Tamert New Member
    Yep, I use zoomrp. I haven't figured out how they price things. Sometimes it's ~shapeways. Other times it's 2x but that is about the limit (for their SLS nylon process). Their HD Blue process costs more than FUD not not vastly more and feels about right for the higher resolution. Also, you have the option for much faster deliveries if that is of interest. Sometimes it's necessary since shapeways is a 2 week process at minimum.
  13. stannum
    stannum Well-Known Member
    Probably based in how busy the queue is. If the queue is empty, lower the price to attract orders, if full, raise price and see who drops. You can't serve more than the machine can fit, so whoever wants to pay, gets the item done.
  14. Tamert
    Tamert New Member
    I received a number of PM's asking for some pictures of things that I've had manufacturing using the 16 um process to see both the as received state and the cleaned state. Just like the lower resolution printing process, support materials are used and need to be removed after printing.

    The first attached picture shows one of my recent prints. Notice in the corner a spec of white material. This is support material that wasn't removed by Following the suggested post processing routine (2 hour soak in 10% solution of sodium hydroxide and then water/IPA rinse) I was able to completely clean the model.

    (why can I only attach 1 picture per message?)

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  15. Tamert
    Tamert New Member
    A picture of the cleaned model should be attached to this message.

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  16. stannum
    stannum Well-Known Member
    Does this blue/grey material differ a lot from SW's white, black or transparent ones? Or similar properties in different color (and higher resolution, of course)?

    Forum's configuration, one attachment per post, with exceptions like "it arrived".