Invoices / EUR countries

Discussion in 'Shapeways Shops' started by kontor_apart, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. kontor_apart
    kontor_apart New Member
    Funny enough that a company in Eindhoven tries to base all its accounting and invoicing on USD instead of EUR. Consumers will probably not care, but registered busineses will. To be honest, proper accounting is virtually impossible with your current paperwork:

    (A) While your customer invoices do show the total order value in EUR, they only show the VAT (or BTW, for that matter) and ex-BTW amounts in USD. Your invoices do not indicate the applied USD/EUR exchange rate.

    Due to the well-known daily currency fluctuations, it is virtually impossible for us to calculate the VAT (or BTW) that you kept from us

    As you may know, we have to report that exact same amount to the tax authorities. They want to know everything about every single (EUR-)cent . With the current invoices, we essentially have to guess the BTW and I am afraid they might reject our guesswork.

    (B) Even worse for the co-creator "invoice"s that you send out. First of all, those should not be "invoice"s, but rather credit notes of some kind.

    But regardless, the entire thing is in USD, no indication of EUR whatsoever, to the effect that we neither know (a) the invoice amount nor (b) the true BTW value.

    Not only that it drives our accountants crazy, I'd be curious to see what happens when the tax authorities discover a discrepancy between the BTW in your books and the amount that we desperately calculated from a chosen exchange rate ...

  2. virtox
    virtox Active Member Moderator

    According to my accountant, this should not be a problem at all.

    In case of "customer" invoice, if you have total amount in dollars and euros, the exchange rate is easily calculated and you can a calculate all amounts.

    In case of markup invoices, everything is in dollars anyway.
    It does not become euro until you make it, so you know the exchange rate to apply.
    And then the exchange rates for shapeways are probably different from yours anyway. (different bank/date of transaction)

    My accountant advised me to use an average fixed exchange rate per quarter( or year)
    As at the end of my fiscal quarter, Shapeways has already paid me on paper, but the money follows 30 days later.

    At the end of the quarter any balance discrepancies (between bookkeeping and actual account balances) that might occur can be tallied up to "valuta verschillen" or "exhchange rate differences" and is apparently quite normal.



    Last edited: Sep 15, 2010
  3. MichielCornelissen
    MichielCornelissen New Member
    It drives me crazy too. I had understood that indeed, I need to translate every order to euro's based on the daily currency rate. I shudder when I think of the quarter ending, yes.

    Stijn's system sounds a hell of a lot easier... better check with my accountant if she agrees...

    In any case, if there is a way that SW can facilitate this whole thing somehow, with a proper overview of how much VAT I'm due, this would help a lot.

  4. roy
    roy New Member

    Thanks for your feedback.

    My apologies if our current invoicing setup in USD creates confusion. We are aware that the way we have setup our billing structure may create confusion for EU customers and especially business users given VAT implications. The reason for this setup is that Shapeways aims to offer a global service.

    Below is an overview of our internal currency exchange rates per date range. Based on the Invoice Date and the amounts you can calculate the EUR value per invoice.

    The resulting EUR values will correspond with the Shapeways financial records. In other words this will create a one-one-one relationship between your and our records, which should prevent any VAT issues.

    The rates table:

    Year Date From Date To Rate
    2009 01-Jan 31-May 1.3000
    2009 01-Jun 08-Jun 1.4200
    2009 09-Jun 06-Jul 1.3866
    2009 07-Jul 31-Jul 1.3897
    2009 01-Aug 01-Dec 1.4303
    2009 02-Dec 16-Dec 1.5074
    2009 17-Dec 01-Jan 1.4343
    2010 02-Jan 31-Jan 1.4406
    2010 01-Feb 28-Feb 1.3966
    2010 01-Mar 31-Mar 1.3570
    2010 01-Apr 30-Apr 1.3479
    2010 01-May 16-May 1.3315
    2010 17-May 31-May 1.2492
    2010 01-Jun 30-Jun 1.2307
    2010 01-Jul 01-Aug 1.2271
    2010 02-Aug 1.3028

    I hope this helps.

    Any further questions can also be sent directly to my mail adress: royatshapewaysdotcom

    Best regards,

    Roy Eussen
    Financial controller Shapeways
  5. MichielCornelissen
    MichielCornelissen New Member
    Thanks Roy, that's a good start!

    Anything you can do to make it easier for a tax-an-alphabetic like myself, very welcome...