http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php Shapeways: Bring your creativity to life in 3D http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=46527&th=9067#msg_46527 and then turns them into amazing looking neon/plasma lights.

Now this brought me to the idea and question,
is the printed glass strong/dense enough to be used in air tight sealed neon art?
I have currently no experience with neontubes or anything it's just that it got me curious about the possibilities.
Like would it be possible to create a printed (glass) shape and contact a neon artist to make it work (or just inspire the neon artist to do such things)


http://ericfranklin.com/#luminous-glass-sculpture/6]]> MissStabby 2012-04-05T15:04:05-00:00 http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=46548&th=9067#msg_46548 stonysmith 2012-04-05T19:02:36-00:00 http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=46607&th=9067#msg_46607 might be possible. But you need to understand that it is very much different than the more traditional glass materials and fabrication processes. Yes printed glass would be gas tight, but it is not transparent. So a couple of strategically placed LED's might produce the same result.
Also it is not quite as strong as blown glass. I suppose this could be compensated for by increasing the mass of the part. The biggest obstacle however is due to the fact that printed glass parts have a tendency to distort during their thermal processing. Hollow sections are subject to collapse and/or rupture so creating intricate tubular channels via 3dgp would be very difficult and in some cases, practically impossible. A lot would depend on the overall design. Something like the "skeleton" would be a nightmare to produce! Personally, I'd say 3dgp is not a very good candidate for Neon work.
-G]]> GlenG 2012-04-06T22:44:52-00:00 http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=46608&th=9067#msg_46608 also about the distortion effect that is a part of the thermal treatment of the printed glass.

I wonder if eventually 3d printed glass will be possible in a way that it creates completely clear and strong glass parts.

but yeah the leds could also work on the frosted material with lots of complex shapes i guess, still that might also be an interesting project.]]> MissStabby 2012-04-06T22:59:32-00:00 http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=46633&th=9067#msg_46633 The "distortion" issues are somewhat harder to explain, but it has to do with the nature of molten glass. When the raw (green) glass prints are prepared for the fusion cycle they must be completely supported by some form of refractory media. When glass (any glass) is in a semi liquid molten state, without support, you end up with a puddle. Solid shapes are pretty easy to support. Hollow sections are trickier as they must be completely filled with support media . As the green print begins to fuse and consolidate there is also a significant amount of shrinkage to contend with. So, when you have a hollow sphere like shape, filled with support media, as the shape begins to fuse and shrink, stress begins to build up which can lead to part failure. Some of this can be controlled, but sometimes it's just a "no go" situation.
The engineering properties of glass, the high working temperatures, the need for very tight thermal control during transition from molten to solid state, present significant obstacles for developing more advanced 3d printing processes. Some very cool things can be produced with the current system but there are factors that need to be understood and respected in order to produce good useful results.
-G]]> GlenG 2012-04-07T14:51:21-00:00