Shapeways: Bring your creativity to life in 3D http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php Shapeways: Bring your creativity to life in 3D Re: Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68326&th=14288#msg_68326 I'm not saying you shouldn't get money I'm saying you could sell in a transparent way (if you want of course).]]> ttoinou 2013-05-19T16:44:48-00:00 Re: Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68325&th=14288#msg_68325

and using SW I can spent my markup on new prints / prototypes Smile]]> Jettuh 2013-05-19T15:37:43-00:00 Re: Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68093&th=14288#msg_68093
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You can set the markup to zero and setup a donate button so people can pay what they want.

If this features is fully integrated in the SW design (a special donate button / flattr), why not.
But Shapeways doesn't get 20%. And it's better to pay all object + markups in one time.


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what you call profit is salary to them
Maybe we could use "capital gain" to remove the pejorative meaning.


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And is there something wrong with profit ?
No. But the SW system is quite opaque (hidden volume & markup : you never know how much you are giving to designer).
Letting people know some properties of the object (like volume), letting them download a model and tweak with it, getting them to be invested in the product creation, all of this is part of the education to 3D printing.

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Should art be free?
Well that's a personal questional (SW could allow both answers) but I truly think it should be, as in "free speech" again.
That doesn't mean people don't exchange money and that artists starve to death of course.

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I s everything on SW art?
IMHO yes but my definition of art is very large.


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Art can be free, but to say that it should be free is a different thing and rather overly prescriptive ... imo.
I'm not forcing anyone (how could I ?) Razz .]]> ttoinou 2013-05-15T19:00:23-00:00 Re: Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68084&th=14288#msg_68084 And not all markup is profit of course. Some models never pay themselves off..

]]> virtox 2013-05-15T16:58:35-00:00 Re: Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68081&th=14288#msg_68081 Quote:
* I'm not saying SW designers are here for profits


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...what you call profit is salary to them


And is there something wrong with profit? Should art be free? I s everything on SW art?

Art can be free, but to say that it should be free is a different thing and rather overly prescriptive ... imo.]]> AmLachDesigns 2013-05-15T16:46:17-00:00 Re: Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68080&th=14288#msg_68080
As to what a design is worth.. some people spent a lot of time and money to perfect a design/model, what you call profit is salary to them Smile
]]> virtox 2013-05-15T16:18:17-00:00 Re: Bad Preview Image http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68079&th=13240#msg_68079 .
Do you know the volume of the smallest shell accepted by Shapeways in the STL import process ? Thanks.]]> ttoinou 2013-05-15T16:16:24-00:00 Let the purchaser choose the markup http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68074&th=14288#msg_68074
Shapeways could let designer choose if they want the markup to be up to the purchaser, because he believes his creation does not belong to him but to everyone. He thinks that he shouldn't decide what profit should he make for creating the object.
Then of course there's no point in hiding the volume of the object.
It would increase transparency between designers and SW's visitors & purchaser.

SW should also let designer choose a license for their model.

( Also If the designer choose a free license and markup-up-to-buyer for one object then there's no reason not to let people download it. )

I know it seems utopic but there's already a few downloadable objects on this site. It proves there's some designer that don't care about profits* or already have this "art should be free" philosophy.

* I'm not saying SW designers are here for profits]]> ttoinou 2013-05-15T15:44:46-00:00 Re: Markup Reset to Zero - no Payment Received (yet) http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68065&th=14286#msg_68065 virtox wrote on Wed, 15 May 2013 14:14
sorry edited/added a minor note in post above




Pffffffft..... I didn't even see the 'pending'. Haha, thanks again.]]> PeregrineStudios 2013-05-15T14:15:48-00:00 Re: Markup Reset to Zero - no Payment Received (yet) http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68063&th=14286#msg_68063
speak of the devil, mine just arrived Smile
]]> virtox 2013-05-15T14:14:11-00:00 Re: Markup Reset to Zero - no Payment Received (yet) http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68062&th=14286#msg_68062 virtox wrote on Wed, 15 May 2013 14:11
Correct Smile



Many thanks Smile Just double-checking!]]> PeregrineStudios 2013-05-15T14:13:12-00:00 Re: Markup Reset to Zero - no Payment Received (yet) http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68061&th=14286#msg_68061

In the table below there you should see payment "pending" but with an invoice detailing the amounts.

]]> virtox 2013-05-15T14:11:34-00:00 Markup Reset to Zero - no Payment Received (yet) http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68059&th=14286#msg_68059
Another payday, another question. Smile

I was owed a fair amount by Shapeways this 15th. I went to check 'My Sales' and saw that my confirmed Markup had been reset to zero (indicating it had been paid). However, it is not in my PayPal account. I assume it just automatically resets itself to zero on the 15th and the payment will still be sent?

Thanks,
Christian]]> PeregrineStudios 2013-05-15T14:00:04-00:00 Excessive email notifications http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=68010&th=14276#msg_68010
Today for one new post I received 7 email notifications, occasionally I get just the one notification email, however mostly there is a minimum of two, often three and sometimes more.

Paul]]> stop4stuff 2013-05-14T21:09:44-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67994&th=14254#msg_67994

Paul
]]> stop4stuff 2013-05-14T18:56:15-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67978&th=14254#msg_67978 thanks a lot Smile]]> Strangefate 2013-05-14T17:17:51-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67977&th=14254#msg_67977
It's good to save some cash.

I think your model is great, by the way. Good work!]]> AmLachDesigns 2013-05-14T17:15:49-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67976&th=14254#msg_67976
it comes exactly to your 60.02 Smile]]> Strangefate 2013-05-14T17:14:07-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67964&th=14254#msg_67964 AmLachDesigns 2013-05-14T16:15:28-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67959&th=14254#msg_67959
I'll rearrange things as best as possible and see what I get.

And you sir, should get a medal, thanks a lot Smile

]]> Strangefate 2013-05-14T16:05:31-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67956&th=14254#msg_67956
I think SW has calculated it correctly.

The complete model if we assume no discount is:
2 + 57.36*1.5 = 88.04

The cape (plus rods):
2 + 10.67*1.5 = 18.01

The body:
2 + 46.69*1.5 = 72.04

BUT

The body (if we assume you are in the 'discount zone'):

handling fee + 20cm3 at full rate + the rest of the volume at half rate
2 + 20*1.5 + 26.69*0.75 = 52.02

So for the complete model as is you are getting no discount. If you re-jig the layout of your components so that the whole thing is more compact, you should be able to get the model for:

2 + 20*1.5 + 37.36*0.75 = 60.02

i.e. less even than the 2 separate models, which is as it should be, as you are only paying full rate for the first 20cm3.

Check these figures (!) but I think they are right.
]]> AmLachDesigns 2013-05-14T15:57:39-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67955&th=14254#msg_67955
46.69 cm³ for the body... and I think this is the problem, it adds up to $70 (with WSF polished) but shapeways says it's $52... which should be correct as the other figures and test figures print always for that price range (they're always hollow).

10.67 cm³ for the cape which adds to the correct price too.

I'm hoping a re-export will fix it.]]> Strangefate 2013-05-14T15:37:19-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67952&th=14254#msg_67952 AmLachDesigns 2013-05-14T15:17:39-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67951&th=14254#msg_67951
]]> Strangefate 2013-05-14T15:12:08-00:00 Re: Wrong volume calculation and prices ? http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=rview&goto=67950&th=14254#msg_67950
I've had this before, while I was uploading revisions of a model, one revision was suddenly $10 more, without any visible reasons. I checked the mesh to make sure I didn't forget to export one of the cavities or anything, but everything seemed fine. The next model revision got the correct price again.]]> Strangefate 2013-05-14T14:59:25-00:00