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Forum: 3D Printing
 Topic: Stainless Steel Max Bounding box
Stainless Steel Max Bounding box [message #99839] Wed, 01 October 2014 14:36 UTC
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In the Stainless Steel Material Info for maximum bounding box,
it states on a line on the left with the dimensions of 762 x 393 x 393 but on the right it states 330 x 190 x 228.

Anyone happen to know which one it is? and why there are 2 listed?

A couple years or so ago I had designed a piece for stainless steel that met the max bounding box requirements at the time( and as I remember it there was only one bounding box dimension listed )...I never did print it because the cost was prohibitive.

But now with the recent announcement of prices planned to come down for stainless steel I want to perhaps give it shot and try printing this model. But since I first designed the piece Shapeways, for whatever reason ( using new printer? ) has changed the maximum bounding box for Stainless Steel ( being smaller ).

So I will have to redesign this piece which will take a considerable amount of time. I am trying to keep the model as large as possible, because at the maximum size allowed ( if the dimension listed on the left on the page is the correct one ) my model is sort of at its smallest size where going much smaller may greatly reduce the effect I wish to achieve with the final model.

I just don't want to spend alot of time reworking my model only to find out the maximum bounding box isn't what I thought it was.

Thanks for any feedback.
Re: Stainless Steel Max Bounding box [message #99841 is a reply to message #99839 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 14:41 UTC
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The figures apply to the types of SS at the top of the page.

So the max BB on the left applies to all but the last 3 variants and the one on the right the last 3 variants.

I do not believe that these Materials pages are clear at all, but that's how they work now.
Re: Stainless Steel Max Bounding box [message #99842 is a reply to message #99841 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 14:44 UTC
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I suspected it was something like this.

Thank you for the reply.
Forum: Interest Groups
 Topic: Repricing Advice: Puzzles & Multi-part files
Re: Repricing Advice: Puzzles & Multi-part files [message #99684 is a reply to message #99582 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 01:41 UTC
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I can see that we are going to have to print more plastic to deal with the new pricing structure. I think that Shapeways also need to look at their equipment and systems to come up with a more economic multi-part costing. The simple model signboards in my example below would be very easy to clean, yet the new pricing structure has $60+ of labor in the price. I could attach them all to a printed spru and save $58.50 of labour. It would take just as long to clean post print. I understand that maybe it is harder to track the multiple parts versus the single parts, but this is surely a solvable problem with a better tracking system.


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Re: Repricing Advice: Puzzles & Multi-part files [message #99691 is a reply to message #99684 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 02:17 UTC
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After some experimenting, I'll revise my question some. It seems like interlocking/necklaced parts are recognized by the software. And that if objects are necklaced, there can be savings by nesting objects within one another. It would be exceedingly helpful if the staff at shapeways could clarify the underpinnings of the updated rules. With one week to update markups, the deadlines for testing holiday designs coming fast, it would be helpful to make educated decisions rather than guessing.

I appreciate that many other services have expressly forbidden multi part files, and while this pricing change at Shapeways reflects a hike in my prices in some items, is necessary for the new industry of 3D printing. Just get the info out so we can get our work done!

Additionally, are there any provisions for grandfathering in printability for files that have been simply rearranged?
Re: Repricing Advice: Puzzles & Multi-part files [message #99734 is a reply to message #99691 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 07:34 UTC
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Thankfully, I'm not affected, since I do not have any designs that incorporate multiple parts in polyamide. :)

I see the problem you're having with multiple parts, but is this really the solution? The way I see it Shapeways is damaging the foundation stones of its business by making this move. :D I don't know what the actual numbers are and I'll bet the numbers look good on paper, but I feel this is not going to be good for Shapeways' overall image that has been built up over the years.

What else can be done? Couldn't Shapeways write code that automatically encapsulates each multipart file in a mesh container and then charge for the extra material and build space volume?

Or what about trying to automate the sorting process. In this regard I'd look into the way diamonds are sorted from ore concentrates via x-ray fluorescence separator equipment. The advantage you have is that you know exactly what each part looks like so you could use machine vision in place of the x-ray emitter detector combination.

Make a game out of it! HAHAHA! :D No seriously though, make it a game. Partner up with MMO game developers and figure out a way that the players can sort the parts to get some kind of in game reward. :D

Also along the lines of the game aspect, you could partner up with people that develop captchas. Captcha solving is being used to do all kinds of interesting things with all those billions of brains at work solving captchas. You could simply ask people solving captchas, "Do these two parts match, yes or no?" This along with standard captchas would make for a very powerful captcha while getting the part sorting done at minimal costs.

Outsource it. There billions of people around the world who would love to help out for a price far below what workers in Holland and America want to be paid. The sorting can be completely implement overseas via online.

Use a SCARAs to slice up the powder cake into sections containing multiple part orders. I'm seeing two robot arms with something like steel spatulas that are cutting up the block according to what's inside. They are then placing the sections into baskets for automated depowdering equipment to process.

Stop leasing those monstrous machines and build your own compact machines in various sizes. The patents are expired. That way you can, not only offer next day service more readily, but you can also dedicate multiple part orders to each machine.

That's all I can think of for now. :)







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Re: Repricing Advice: Puzzles & Multi-part files [message #99858 is a reply to message #99734 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 15:46 UTC
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What if there were two different pricings ?

One without sinter box, the new pricing which depends on the number of parts.

One with sinter box where shapeways doesn't post-process and clean in depth, the user does, and that doesn't depend on the number of parts because the number of parts doesn't make the job harder !
I have small models whose prices have been multiplied by 10 because of this...

You're obviously selling the volume on the machine (powder being only 1200/metric ton at a very low volumic mass) so why not sell models with sinter boxes by bounding box size and not by number of parts ? It's only logical...

[Updated on: Wed, 01 October 2014 15:58 UTC]

Forum: 3D Design
 Topic: Help scaling an object
Help scaling an object [message #99688] Wed, 01 October 2014 01:59 UTC
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I need help scaling of an extruder main body. When the STL is imported into AutoDesk 123, the size is really huge.

The thickness of the shoe top and bottom needs to be 13mm, see picture below:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/charliezphoto/Mainextruderbody.jpg

I've attached the original STL here (common creative license from https://github.com/Xssink/Iron_12X12).

Shapeways upload errors out saying the size of the object is too large.

How do I scale it?


[Updated on: Wed, 01 October 2014 02:05 UTC]

Re: Help scaling an object [message #99727 is a reply to message #99688 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 07:03 UTC
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Get netfabb studio basic from netfabb.com, then use its "Scale" and "Export" functions in the "Part" menu.
Re: Help scaling an object [message #99864 is a reply to message #99727 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 16:04 UTC
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Thanks! It looks to be the right dimensions to me. I'll export it from netfabb and upload the model.

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Forum: Shapeways Shops
 Topic: Managing Your Markup During Repricing
Re: Managing Your Markup During Repricing [message #99671 is a reply to message #99519 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 00:50 UTC
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I work on a Mac, is there any way to get a csv wizard file that is not a .exe file?
Re: Managing Your Markup During Repricing [message #99721 is a reply to message #99519 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 06:02 UTC
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My digital preference is to not use the csv approach, let all the mark-ups remain at their present numeric values, and let the sales prices float to original mark-ups plus new base prices. Is that a possibility?
Re: Managing Your Markup During Repricing [message #99725 is a reply to message #99721 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 06:56 UTC
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draw, that was what I expected the default to be...I'm kinda surprised at the decision to keep the customer-facing prices the same while slamming the shopowner-facing markups, in some cases to 0. I'm glad they're being transparent about it -- if you look on the blog, Peter answered that question right away -- but hmm.

It shows hardcore loyalty to customers, which makes sense at bottom -- customers are where the money comes from, and that's what both we and Shapeways are here for -- but considering how much buzz the reprice is causing already, I'm worried that it could be seen as insulting to shopowners.

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Re: Managing Your Markup During Repricing [message #99788 is a reply to message #99725 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 10:49 UTC
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Wind Of Change - Scorpions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ goes so good with this changes!


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Re: Managing Your Markup During Repricing [message #99859 is a reply to message #99671 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 15:47 UTC
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ptrathos wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 00:50

I work on a Mac, is there any way to get a csv wizard file that is not a .exe file?

Can you tell us more about what you are seeing? The file should download with a .CSV file extension and should open in Excel, OpenOffice or GoogleDocs with no problems.

Beyond that, a standard question: what browser are you using?


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Re: Managing Your Markup During Repricing [message #99875 is a reply to message #99725 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 17:02 UTC
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Bathsheba wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 06:56

draw, that was what I expected the default to be...I'm kinda surprised at the decision to keep the customer-facing prices the same while slamming the shopowner-facing markups, in some cases to 0. I'm glad they're being transparent about it -- if you look on the blog, Peter answered that question right away -- but hmm.

It shows hardcore loyalty to customers, which makes sense at bottom -- customers are where the money comes from, and that's what both we and Shapeways are here for -- but considering how much buzz the reprice is causing already, I'm worried that it could be seen as insulting to shopowners.




In my way of thinking customer loyalty would reflect a lowered price of products (in the 70% (?) of cases where prices will drop). Instead the mark-ups will be increased for 70% percent of the models to maintain original prices. Lowering or dropping mark-ups to zero in remaining cases has the opposite effect and forces account owners to dig through their accounts to recheck or alter mark-ups. In the cases where mark-ups drop to zero the account holder will receive no future notices that a sale has been made, right?.

A more common sense change would be to allow mark-ups to increase in the 70% of models and to retain mark-ups in the remaining 30%. Even more preferable (from my point of view) is to at least provide the option to keep mark-ups constant across the board. The sane person inside of me says that mark-ups should be completely decoupled from Shapeways pricing unless mark-ups could be defined as a percentage of Shapeways costs - but that is also not an option.

I don't have access to a spreadsheet program right now so the best I can do is download the csv files to have a record so I can recheck everything at a later date. This reminds me of the the last material options changes earlier in the year that caused everyone to scurry around in their accounts. Scurrying should not be the default condition resulting from Shapeways policy/pricing changes.
Forum: Suggestions
 Topic: Hallmarking
Re: Hallmarking [message #99685 is a reply to message #99520 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 01:45 UTC
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COPY-PASTE FROM A LAW IT NOT MEANS YOU ARE A LAWYER THERE ARE LAWS FOR EVERY ARTICLE IN A LAW.

STOP THIS!

Go to a LOCAL LAWYER PAY HIM to explain you why and what!

It is stupid to copy paste from law and read it if you are NOT A LAWYER! Every law has exceptions and exceptions can be in other LAW and in OTHER law can be ANOTHER EXCEPTIONS!

JACANT wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:39

Everyone seems to be missing the point.

Shapeways can not sell or offer to sell any item containing any Gold, Silver, Platinum or Palladium in the UK without it being assayed first. There is not a choice.

Implications for Importers into the UK and Exporters to the UK
Before your goods can be offered for sale they have to have been tested and hallmarked at a UK Assay Office. Unless they are exempt because:
a) The product weighs less than
1.00 gram for Gold
7.78 grams for Silver
0.5 grams for Platinum
1.00 gram for Palladium
b) The product has already been tested and hallmarked in a country which is a signatory to the International Convention on Hallmarking and it bears the Convention "Common Control Mark".
The following countries are signatories to the convention: Austria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Hungary, Irelnad, Israel, Latvia,

I started a new topic about Nickel and it's control as a dangerous substance.
I would appreciate some feedback on this http://bit.ly/1rD6bc0


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 Topic: Show a pic of object after production
Show a pic of object after production [message #99863] Wed, 01 October 2014 15:59 UTC
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Hi,

I'd like to suggest that the order status page shows a pic of object after production, before shipping, for those of us a bit anxious to see the result before it arrives!

Thanks!
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Re: Show a pic of object after production [message #99876 is a reply to message #99863 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 17:04 UTC
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Obviously that would require them to take a reasonably clear picture of every model before it goes through packaging. Not sure how many parts they handle on a regular workday, but I doubt it would be feasible. (Watch the videos of the various printing processes and/or the factory tour in shapeways' youtube channel to get an idea of what goes on behind the scenes - your model will usually be just one of fifty or more parts in one of the many printers running in parallel)

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Forum: Work in progress
 Topic: Holy Over Theatrical Dancing Skeletons Batman!
Re: Holy Over Theatrical Dancing Skeletons Batman! [message #99908 is a reply to message #99086 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 18:16 UTC
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I LOVE this goofy skeleton. I love how much fun you had with him. Great work!
 Topic: Animatronic Bee..
Re: Animatronic Bee.. [message #99919 is a reply to message #98938 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 18:26 UTC
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This is so amazingly cool! I've modeled and rigged a few insects for computer animation in my time, and it ain't easy. Could you post a video of this guy when he's fully functional? I would love to see that. Keep us posted!

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 Topic: Animatronic Puffin bird
Re: Animatronic Puffin bird [message #99923 is a reply to message #98906 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 18:41 UTC
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Fantastic! It looks like all of the parts, except for the motors/electronics, are 3D-printed. Is that correct? Can't wait to see it completely assembled.

Forum: It arrived!
 Topic: Recent order arrived with issues
Recent order arrived with issues [message #99672] Wed, 01 October 2014 00:56 UTC
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I'm usually happy with Shapeways full color printing services but my recent order arrived with some issues.

As you can see below, the final product ended up more grainy and details were lost compared to the FCS preview.
http://i.imgur.com/6sassq7.png

Picture below shows sample of my previous order. As you can see the final version turns out to be a near exact of the preview and I'm very happy for that.
http://i.imgur.com/jihGfNG.png

Now I suspect the issue with my recent order is related to the fact that I ordered them along with a Full Color Plastic model as test - perhaps they use a new printer?

A report with the question above was submitted but they did not gave me an answer or offered me a refund. I've been a happy Shapeways customer but I can't help but feel disappointed with this experience.
Re: Recent order arrived with issues [message #99758 is a reply to message #99672 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 08:41 UTC
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FCS and FCP will certainly use different printers, so one should not affect the other.
I wonder if you chose "print it anyway" on the FCS model by any chance ?
 Topic: the weasel
Re: the weasel [message #99699 is a reply to message #99498 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 03:00 UTC
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Nice!!Would this little fella be solid?
Cheers
Re: the weasel [message #99747 is a reply to message #99699 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 08:13 UTC
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Thanks coaster,

the main body is hollowed out (not sure it worked since the escape hole is tiny) He feels pretty solid though.
Re: the weasel [message #99778 is a reply to message #99747 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 09:58 UTC
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Maybe order next time Mate Gold ? So it wont end with bronze spots on it ?

Looks nice!

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Re: the weasel [message #99782 is a reply to message #99778 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 10:21 UTC
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oh the spots seems to rub off a bit. glad you like it :)
Re: the weasel [message #99931 is a reply to message #99498 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 18:57 UTC
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Nice! My daughters (11 and 14 years) think it's adorable.
Forum: Bug Reporting
 Topic: There is a lot of fake spam "Favorited by"-ing going on
There is a lot of fake spam "Favorited by"-ing going on [message #99855] Wed, 01 October 2014 15:28 UTC
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Not really a bug but if you look at:
https://www.shapeways.com/model/119919/sierpinski-tetrahedro n.html?li=aeTabs
you will see that the Favorited By section is full of fake profiles, linking to pages like this:
https://www.shapeways.com/designer/sunnylee/favorites
which has a link on it promoting a taxi company.
 Topic: Changing material of a private model removes the key from the URL
Re: Changing material of a private model removes the key from the URL [message #99860 is a reply to message #99446 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 15:51 UTC
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Michael, thanks for your response.

Here's an example URL:
https://www.shapeways.com/model/2720739/ringmakr-duo-size-7- 2014-09-30-542b33d94cd76.html?li=shortUrl&key=f536b1e327 f5602ff5d9992318e79edd

I just verified that I can reproduce this according to the steps I detailed (open the URL -> change material -> refresh page).
I checked on Firefox, Chrome and IE11, win7.


Thanks


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Re: Changing material of a private model removes the key from the URL [message #99935 is a reply to message #98510 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 19:09 UTC
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Alright thanks, I'll be able to report with this.


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Forum: 3D modeler needed
 Topic: 3D modeler needed for Rings and possible other projects
Re: 3D modeler needed for Rings and possible other projects [message #99705 is a reply to message #98902 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 04:11 UTC
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Hi, I'm a 3D modeler with over 10 years experience in high resolution modeling for film/tv and games. Here's my portfolio link. Thanks!

https://vimeo.com/stevehubbard/

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 Topic: cartoon 3d bust based on photo
Re: cartoon 3d bust based on photo [message #99726 is a reply to message #98613 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 06:59 UTC
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 Topic: 3D Cartoon Character from Picture Needed
3D Cartoon Character from Picture Needed [message #99737] Wed, 01 October 2014 07:43 UTC
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I have a picture of a 2D character that I need rigged and turned into a 3d model in MAX preferably.

Cost?

 Topic: Custom engagement ring help needed please
Re: Custom engagement ring help needed please [message #99834 is a reply to message #99445 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 14:20 UTC
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So, an update on this, I now have a bunch of sketches done by hand that shows specifically where I want to go with this idea. I spoke with a few designers but a couple seem to have not responded again, or maybe they are busy. Please message me if you have experience with jewelry and/or engagement rings please! Thank you so much!
 Topic: Make 3D drawings from cross section drawings
Re: Make 3D drawings from cross section drawings [message #99949 is a reply to message #99556 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 19:29 UTC
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Hunter:

Thanks for responding. I am including two drawings of a Cap Finial for a pen. I am asking you to create a drawing from this that I can send into Shapeways to evaluate your work and to assure that you see what I see (my drawings leave something to be desired.)

Once I have selected my 3D partner I will create a set of standard parts for each series of pens. Thereafter, I will create new sets when I am contracted to provide specialized products or want to introduce a new series of pens. Basically the work should be easy, until we get to wrapping a map of the world around the body of a pen or other custom designs.

I will retain all rights to my drawings and the 3D drawings you provide for me. Each will be copyrighted after it has passed the prototype test via a Shapeways model.

Thanks, again, I look forward to hearing from you,

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Forum: General Discussion
 Topic: If you don't read the blog, maybe this is interesting...
Re: If you don't read the blog, maybe this is interesting... [message #99647 is a reply to message #99526 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 00:06 UTC
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Hi Natalia! :D

Good to hear. I'll look for a response.

I'm disappointed that I didn't throw something together as a submission just so I could be in the loop for knowing what's going on. At this point, even though you say you are awaiting answers from Hasbro, I feel like my excitement is for SuperFanArt is deflated. I saw the small number of submissions that were made before September 9th, so I know there wasn't much of an effort that needed to be made to handle those. I would have liked to have seen some kind of statement from Shapeways or Hasbro that accounted for my situation where the developers would have said something like, "Submissions after September 9th will be process within 30 days." or something like that. Something other than nothing. That way I wouldn't be feeling like I just spent 60 hours on a dead end. :)






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 Topic: FUD quality of late
Re: FUD quality of late [message #99682 is a reply to message #99577 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 01:27 UTC
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I have noticed the same with WSF. While it has always had variable surface finish,
I think some should not pass QA for delivery with drop shipping

Asked to provide samples, and it is difficult after the fact.

With new prices I have not found a single item that is cheaper, indeed some
are considerably more expensive.

Stewart
Re: FUD quality of late [message #99714 is a reply to message #99682 ] Wed, 01 October 2014 05:05 UTC
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For WSF, it seems to me like the different machines are calibrated differently or something. Lately the models I've received almost seem thicker than they used to. In the order I got today, two of the models seemed very thin compared to usual, one of which was a poseable model. All of the joints were loose, despite receiving 10 of them with joints that were almost too tight, not a week before.
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