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Forum: Work in progress
 Topic: Holy Over Theatrical Dancing Skeletons Batman!
Holy Over Theatrical Dancing Skeletons Batman! [message #99086] Tue, 23 September 2014 00:11 UTC
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Got my articulated skeleton today. I need to tighten up all the joints on the print file. Managed to get this one functional by lining the joints with Sculpy. Good fun to pose afterwards though despite the occasional limb dropping off...

This isn't the skeleton that is currently available in my shop- that version is not poseable.

index.php?t=getfile&id=71954&private=0

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Forum: 3D Applications
 Topic: "Model is not manifold" according to Shapeways but in Meshlab & Netfabb no issue is re
Re: "Model is not manifold" according to Shapeways but in Meshlab & Netfabb no issue i [message #99104 is a reply to message #99006 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:56 UTC
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Have you also checked for Self-intersections? These are quite important as fixing those by our software could cause parts of your model to get manifold issues.


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Re: "Model is not manifold" according to Shapeways but in Meshlab & Netfabb no issue i [message #99116 is a reply to message #99104 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 11:38 UTC
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Hi,

After temporarily removing one part that I suspect to cause a lot of issues and some intense manual fixing of issues on other parts
in the original file -as highlighted by Meshlab on the repaired file from Netfabb-, I managed to get the by Netfabb only repaired file
accepted by Shapeways this morning! This file includes many flipped triangles from inverted components.

So it seems to me that
- Meshlab checks better then Netfabb basic
- Shapeways checks better then Netfabb basic
- Netfabb basic repair still leaves issues
- Automatic fixes done by Meshlab and/or Netfabb basic don't guarantee the file will be accepted by Shapeways
- Flipped triangles caused by inverted components don't matter

I also noticed with Meshlab that more existing issues popped up, after other issues -somewhere else in the model- were fixed.

I will now have to manually fix the part I temporarily removed...and fix some thin walls identified by Shapeways...
but at least a first successful upload is achieved.

Cheers,
Robert


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Forum: Shapeways API
 Topic: problem uploading binary .stl vs ascii
Re: problem uploading binary .stl vs ascii [message #99117 is a reply to message #97549 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 11:50 UTC
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[followup after mail for other forum members] The API supports binary uploads.

Please note that base64 file data in the API needs to be URLencoded. In php this looks like :

$data = array( "fileName" => "$filename",
               "file" => rawurlencode(base64_encode($file)),
               ...


In general it may be useful to download the Shapeways API Reference Clients from https://github.com/Shapeways/shapeways-api , and compare your client with the php-pecl one.

-- Hans
Re: problem uploading binary .stl vs ascii [message #99118 is a reply to message #99117 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 12:12 UTC
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Thx for the response;

here's the working C# code in case anyone interested in the correct functions:

byte[] bytes = System.IO.File.ReadAllBytes(stlpath);
string filecontents_base64 = System.Convert.ToBase64String(bytes);
string filecontents_base64_urlencoded = HttpUtility.UrlEncodeUnicode(filecontents_base64);



then post filecontents_base64_urlencoded as part of your json request.


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Re: problem uploading binary .stl vs ascii [message #99119 is a reply to message #99117 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 12:42 UTC
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Has been long enough since I implemented an upload function that I don't recall a lot of detail. Using the apache commons codec lib function encodeBase64URLSafeString(byte[] binaryData)

The javadoc explicitly notes that no padding is added. Have read that some decoders will consider the lack of padding to be an error.

How does the decoder that Shapeways uses handle this condition?
Forum: Bug Reporting
 Topic: No longer markups on the "models sold" e-mails?
Re: No longer markups on the "models sold" e-mails? [message #99100 is a reply to message #99080 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:32 UTC
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Hi guys,

I'm really sorry for not fixing this.
Unfortunately, although the bug has been confirmed by our development team, it hasn't been fixed yet.

At the moment most of our development teams are working on a big release which will hopefully make a lot of people happy.
Due to this big project, as well as it just being a broken email (markup is still being added to your account), the bug doesn't have a real high priority right now.

We definitely understand that the bug is annoying and we apologize for the inconvenience.
And please know that we will definitely fix this soon!

Best,
Mitchell

*FYI, the bug, although not confirmed yet, might have been caused by the new payment process where we only charge you once we start printing, so when we send you the yippee email, no invoice has been generated yet (unless it was paid using a banktransfer or with full store credit) and thus the email doesn't state the markup.


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 Topic: Error with Feed?
Re: Error with Feed? [message #99101 is a reply to message #99079 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:37 UTC
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Hi Brian,

I checked your account and spotted that you ordered these models. (order 760377)
However as these models are public and for sale, they show up in the feed as "someone bought this product".

Mitchell


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Re: Error with Feed? [message #99129 is a reply to message #99101 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 13:24 UTC
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Wow. Didn't even think of that. Thanks for the response.
Forum: Shapeways Shops
 Topic: **UPDATE: NOW LIVE!! **First To Try & Beta Products**
Re: **UPDATE: NOW LIVE!! **First To Try & Beta Products** [message #99132 is a reply to message #99055 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 13:50 UTC
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Hi.

Today a previously printed several times model fell from "product" to "first to fail " again.

This is my fourth model demoted THIS WEEK, and all of them were previously printed several times!

Something has changed in shapeways?

If the "first to fail" feature was to "suggest" to designers to make a first test printing, this new demoting politic encourage us to do the opposite thing as useless!
Forum: It arrived!
 Topic: More Weird Little Guys
Re: More Weird Little Guys [message #99088 is a reply to message #99067 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 00:48 UTC
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c'est la vie! Thanks again numarul7.


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 Topic: Screw in cufflinks in metal
Re: Screw in cufflinks in metal [message #99102 is a reply to message #99075 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:45 UTC
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I really like the idea and you should have thumbs up for thinking this out. However I believe in its present shape that the design of the final items is very tied up to the technical solution.

Mike


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 Topic: Tritium Cross and ''Delta'' Pendants - Silver Edition
Re: Tritium Cross and ''Delta'' Pendants - Silver Edition [message #99103 is a reply to message #99059 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:53 UTC
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Great idea. Like it a lot. And nice to see someone thinking with a different approach to design.

Regarding the Hallmark issue I can see that you put the 925 imprinted in the design. We have a big discussion going on about this in the latest posts of this thread:
https://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=20990 &start=0&

I also thought about putting the Hallmark directly in the 3D file as Shapeways won't put it. The problem is the the Hallmark may not be imprinted, milled or embossed in the design... it should be stamped with an original stamp as far as I can read from the thread above. And I know that at least on person who is commenting in the thread is a lawyer. So technically what you are trying to do is letting your customer know what it is they are buying but it is not accepted as a Hallmark in case of customs and trade.

Mike


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Re: Tritium Cross and ''Delta'' Pendants - Silver Edition [message #99112 is a reply to message #99103 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 10:40 UTC
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Inspired_By_Architecture wrote on Tue, 23 September 2014 08:53

Great idea. Like it a lot. And nice to see someone thinking with a different approach to design.

Regarding the Hallmark issue I can see that you put the 925 imprinted in the design. We have a big discussion going on about this in the latest posts of this thread:
https://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=20990 &start=0&

I also thought about putting the Hallmark directly in the 3D file as Shapeways won't put it. The problem is the the Hallmark may not be imprinted, milled or embossed in the design... it should be stamped with an original stamp as far as I can read from the thread above. And I know that at least on person who is commenting in the thread is a lawyer. So technically what you are trying to do is letting your customer know what it is they are buying but it is not accepted as a Hallmark in case of customs and trade.

Mike




Hi Mike,

Thanks a lot for the info. It seems that as far as my pendants are concerned I don't need to hallmark them anyway, due to weight.

Quote:

Articles do not have to be hallmarked if they weigh less than 1 gram for gold, 0.5 grams for platinum and palladium and 7.78 grams for silver.


This is still an issue about most of the silver rings I sell. Until this is resolved, I guess I will sell them as they are, it's better to have a 925 mark just to let the customer know what they have at hand.

[Updated on: Tue, 23 September 2014 10:40 UTC]



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 Topic: Kiss surface
Kiss surface [message #99123] Tue, 23 September 2014 13:03 UTC
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Frankly speaking, I didn't think it would come out properly. Congratulations to all the team !

 Topic: Baseball Seam String Art -- Part I
Baseball Seam String Art -- Part I [message #99130] Tue, 23 September 2014 13:36 UTC
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 Topic: yet another Star
yet another Star [message #99133] Tue, 23 September 2014 14:11 UTC
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Forum: Suggestions
 Topic: Hallmarking
Hallmarking [message #99121] Tue, 23 September 2014 12:58 UTC
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New thread for hallmarking discussion.


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Re: Hallmarking [message #99125 is a reply to message #99121 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 13:18 UTC
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Well, approving the type of gold by hallmarking it this is not "modifying the design"! When you as a producer of the item ( 3d printing, casting, final finishing and sending to the end client) put the hallmark of 14 k gold, you approve that it is indeed 14k gold as you stated on the site.

Hallmarking using laser can be so small that can fit all the jewelry in the world you Shapeways is not an exception. It just takes an additional workforce, technical equipment and time.

Let's say you cannot do this by any kind of reason at the moment. At least you should inform the client that the gold jewelry will not contain hallmark of the karats. Since it is one big disappointment for the client when gets it without hallmarks.

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 Topic: Order of display on Forum posts
Order of display on Forum posts [message #99105] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:59 UTC
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I have always wondered why the oldest post in a forum thread is displayed first?? Is it just on my computer? Can I change this? When I go the a forum post such as for example the General forum post 'show you collection' I would see page of of a bunch of pages and the first ones are dated back in 2010. Who are the most recent posts not displayed first as that would normally be the situation you want when taking part in a discussion?

Mike / Inspired_By_Architecture

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Re: Order of display on Forum posts [message #99106 is a reply to message #99105 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 09:06 UTC
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This is useful if you want to follow a discussion from the start. If you want to see the latest contribution, just click on the little arrow behind the name of the lastest contributor in the rightmost column of the forum overview.
Re: Order of display on Forum posts [message #99107 is a reply to message #99106 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 09:13 UTC
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The little arrow:
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Re: Order of display on Forum posts [message #99110 is a reply to message #99107 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 10:16 UTC
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Thanks for your replies... I didn't come completely backwards into this world.

When I click the little arrow I only get the reverse order for the corresponding page. So that works if There is only one page in a discussion. But if there are more than one page (I believe after 10-15 posts) then I would need to browse to the last page and then click the arrow. Am I the ONLY one who experience this??? Try and go to the forum 'it arrived' and click the little arrow... in my case I am still getting top post that are dated back to 2010 even though I believe there are recent post in that thread.

Mike


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Re: Order of display on Forum posts [message #99111 is a reply to message #99110 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 10:26 UTC
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Something seems to be wrong here... which thread in particular is it where you see this ? Even the sticky "Show your collection" thread shows only relatively recent entries on its last page, and when you click on the arrow your browser should position the page at that last post.
Re: Order of display on Forum posts [message #99113 is a reply to message #99111 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 11:00 UTC
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This Applies to ALL forum threads I'm trying to read !!!! And it has been like this since I first started using Shapeways. And it has been like this no matter which computer I have used. Today I'm sitting and working on computer #4 since I started using Shapeways and they are all the same. An example is the 'show you collection' in the 'it arrived' section... First post would be the original post and then followed by the oldest posts. Changing the order by clicking the small arrow will only change the order of the posts displayed in that corresponding page. The default page is ALWAYS #1 page on my computers. Another example is the very recent thread 'which sells the most in your shop'... this discussion has also exceeded the first page due to a popular Hallmark discussion... here the default page is also the 1st page and the first original post is followed by the oldest posts. I have so far not discovered any exceptions...

That's why I'm asking... because it is completely upside down to have the oldest posts as top posts and not being able to have the most recent posts without having to browse to the last page.

I'm using only Mac computers and Safari browsers... Is it a Mac issue?? Can anyone else sitting with a Mac see if they have the same problem??

Mike


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Re: Order of display on Forum posts [message #99134 is a reply to message #99113 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 14:15 UTC
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I personally prefer the posts in arrival sequence... newest on bottom. Reading posts in the other directions confuses my brain severely.
It's purely a matter of how each person's brain processes information.

On another forum I participate in, the users can select which order they prefer - only about 5% have selected newest on top.

I'd say that it should be a user preference option, but I'm pretty sure that this forum software wasn't created by Shapeways, and I'd rather that they continue to expend development effort on things like print orientation, etc. There's only so many hours in each day.


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Forum: General Discussion
 Topic: Looking for helpful experts willing to help a student
Looking for helpful experts willing to help a student [message #99093] Tue, 23 September 2014 03:04 UTC
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Hey guys! I'm extremely interested in the creativity and community of Shapeways, and because of my intrigue I've decided to choose 3D printing as a specialization I want to become familiar with through a college class about digital literacies. We all know the 21st century is filled with many specializations one can become literate in through internet research, and the 3D printing community seemed like an amazing example of this literacy forming and inviting new people in. If anyone considers themselves some kind of expert in any area of 3D printing, I'd love to hear about the challenges and innovations you are experiencing.
Looking forward to it!
Re: Looking for helpful experts willing to help a student [message #99094 is a reply to message #99093 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 03:05 UTC
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Check this part of forum for students https://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=thread&frm_i d=107&


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 Topic: Traditional jewelry casting vs. Shapeways
Re: Traditional jewelry casting vs. Shapeways [message #99087 is a reply to message #98951 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 00:19 UTC
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Two other issues to consider are the costs of fulfillment and hosting. We(I work here) provide the packing and shipping functions for you. For some of our designers the ability to concentrate on the designs is a nice feature. I understand it eats into your margins but at least for me I'd never have the patience to ship boxes to people. I'd also give us some credit for store presence. Ie your store gets some eyeballs being in our market, we make it searchable, push some pictures to google etc. Ie by listing in our store your getting our infrastructure to sell things and find new customers.

Hopefully that helps in deciding about the tradeoffs involved, and good luck with your business.


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Re: Traditional jewelry casting vs. Shapeways [message #99095 is a reply to message #99087 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 03:44 UTC
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Thanks for your input, Allan. I agree with you that Shapeways provides a lot of services that I don't necessarily want to do, or can't do, on my own and I do appreciate that Shapeways does a great job of promoting and marketing their designers. I am planning on selling on Shapeways, just not exclusively. I'm also planning that a certain part of my business will be at brick&mortar shops in my community for which I will have to pay a commission to have my pieces sold. For this, my product will be branded with my packaging, logo, product info inserts, etc. So add up the cost of the piece, my packaging, the commission I have to pay...and the price adds up pretty fast to something that will make some customers wince a bit. Add to that the fact that Shapeways doesn't provide a complete piece of jewelry (no earring hooks, no chain or band for the necklaces), nor does it hallmark the precious metals, then there are logical reasons (for me) to use Shapeways primarily as a prototyping service, and delegate the production to someone else.

 Topic: Looking for good starter model of Samsung Galaxy S5 for case design
Re: Looking for good starter model of Samsung Galaxy S5 for case design [message #99097 is a reply to message #99062 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 07:08 UTC
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Here's some. I don't know how good they'd be though. :)

https://www.shapeways.com/model/1968551/s5-android-case.html ?li=search-results&materialId=99
https://grabcad.com/library?per_page=20&query=Galaxy+S5
http://www.thingiverse.com/search/page:1?q=Galaxy+S5&sa=






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 Topic: X3D textures
Re: X3D textures [message #99085 is a reply to message #99030 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 00:09 UTC
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We do not support the TextureCoordinateGenerator node. If you remove that then you'll end up using the standard texture coordinates geneated for an index face set. If that works for you then great, if not then you'll need to provide explicit texture coordinates at each vertex.

leforthomas wrote on Mon, 22 September 2014 06:02

Yes, how do you contact them?

Attached is an example.



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Re: X3D textures [message #99099 is a reply to message #99085 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 08:02 UTC
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Hi Alan,

Initially I tried without the TextureCoordinateGenerator. The couple of viewers I use automatically assign the imagetexture to the shape vertexes with all corners matching. It seems the Shapeways one matches the bottom corners of the shape and then uses the same increment on both U and V. This is my guess as to why it works for square images and streches the other ones. Personally, unless mistaken, I don't think this is the "normal" behavior, not sure what the spec say on this (probably nothing).

From there I have two options (1) use a texCoord and TextureCoordinate, for a full res 3d model this will add > 1M indexes and as many pair of floating values, but the models are already large so... (2) square the image used for the texture. This will probably introduce some additional distortions in the image and increase the image size as well...

I'll probably go for (1) unless you have another suggestion.
Re: X3D textures [message #99108 is a reply to message #99099 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 09:20 UTC
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Actually, looking at the specs again:

If the texCoord field is NULL, a default texture coordinate mapping is calculated using the local coordinate system bounding box of the shape. The longest dimension of the bounding box defines the S coordinates, and the next longest defines the T coordinates. If two or all three dimensions of the bounding box are equal, ties shall be broken by choosing the X, Y, or Z dimension in that order of preference. The value of the S coordinate ranges from 0 to 1, from one end of the bounding box to the other. The T coordinate ranges between 0 and the ratio of the second greatest dimension of the bounding box to the greatest dimension.

So it's normal behavior then... I need to do the texture mapping as you suggested.

 Topic: Twitter widget problem
Re: Twitter widget problem [message #99109 is a reply to message #98953 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 10:11 UTC
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 Topic: What sells the most in your jewelry shop?
Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99089 is a reply to message #99077 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 01:01 UTC
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mkroeker wrote on Mon, 22 September 2014 21:42

leandroarndt wrote on Mon, 22 September 2014 20:56

Since Netherlands is a member state of the HMC, if there is any precious metal printed by Shapeways there, it must have the hallmark.

Where do you get that from ? From the "role and function" page on hallmarkingconvention.org: The marking of articles of precious metals with the CCM is carried out on a voluntary basis; compulsory hallmarking is not required from the Contracting States to the Convention.

The issue is not the CCM, but the laws in NL or the destination country. CCM is some kind of extra or replacement, if applied the product is accepted by those that signed it. And it seems that in UK, which is member of CCM, the law is very strict meaning imports could be hit, but would be OK if properly hallmarked, for example by following CCM. Worse fact is that NL hallmarking law also seems to be strict. Oops, SW can't sell big items in precious metals to Dutchies! There, to the no-shipping corner with the Russians.

Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99090 is a reply to message #99089 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 01:35 UTC
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Read the exceptions "articles from an EU Member State provided with the official legal hallmarks that have been marked by an independent body notified in the country concerned." that means Shapeways does not do casting part in Netherlands but in another country that means it is under this exception.

And this particular exception apply to parts sold on Shapeways
"In accordance with section 11 of the Hallmarking Act the following articles are exempt from hallmarking:
articles which cannot be marked without the risk of damage;
articles of special archaeological or artistic value."

Under artistic value we have lots of products! Miniature sculptures , pendants that are not with stones that can be damaged irreparable and etc.

[Updated on: Tue, 23 September 2014 01:39 UTC]


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99091 is a reply to message #99090 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 01:50 UTC
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There is no hallmark, so they don't get covered by the exception saying is OK to sell with hallmarks from other EU country. They would be covered if there was an accepted hallmark to begin with.

And you can claim all you want about no risk but if that would fly, some jewelers would avoid it (and save the fees), wouldn't they? Instead they find a place to apply it.

And if no hallmark is possible at all but they have to warranty the part, they need a certificate instead.
Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99092 is a reply to message #99091 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 01:59 UTC
avatar numarul7  is currently offline numarul7
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Exception means they can`t be hallmarked! Read it again.

Here the UK law http://www.theassayoffice.co.uk/images/pdfs/act-legislation. pdf

Law it stricter! It say that "if they are filigree items , lockets .." and others , read the EXCEPTIONS part. Same for NL law read the EXCEPTIONS.

Due the fact that Shapeways has a factory in Netherlands I doubt they don`t obey that law.

And in the end , search a LOCAL LAWYER in your country if you live there ... and ask about trade laws on this and this exceptions more clearly.

"artistic" sound a little general and that means there it is a law book explaining it more.

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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99096 is a reply to message #99092 ] Tue, 23 September 2014 05:43 UTC
avatar AmLachDesigns  is currently offline AmLachDesigns
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Some random comments:

Hallmarks have to be stamped, I believe. This process has been going on for centuries (yes, that's hundreds of years), and despite items being made of all imaginable sizes and complexities those old-tech guys always managed to stamp their items. Because they had to. Or they couldn't sell them.

When an item sells from a SW shop, it is not the designer selling the item but SW: so it is they who are responsible for complying with laws, not the designer. (I don't know in the case of a UK purchaser and NL supply if that counts as personal import or simply cross-border trade: I suspect the latter.) Obviously if you buy your own design and re-sell it, you are responsible.

Personally (and in line with some other comments above) I would not buy a non-hallmarked item made of gold or platinum. Without a mark or certificate you have bought a gold or silver coloured metal of no provenance and no resale value except as a design object. I don't think you could even scrap it, so why pay the premium. Maybe a good tag line for an advertising campaign would be "Gold from SW: because nothing says 'I love you' like a gold-coloured object..."

Edit: and still no meaningful comments from SW...

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