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 Topic: Traditional jewelry casting vs. Shapeways
Re: Traditional jewelry casting vs. Shapeways [message #98976 is a reply to message #98971 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 00:11 UTC
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On the topic of hallmarks, some discussion ongoing just now https://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=20990 #msg_98963
Re: Traditional jewelry casting vs. Shapeways [message #98980 is a reply to message #98971 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 04:21 UTC
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Hi Symbolica, I don't have the silicone form. It will stay at the company so that he can pour more, if I decide to go that route.
 Topic: 3d printing and modeling group contest
3d printing and modeling group contest [message #98990] Sun, 21 September 2014 10:25 UTC
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Hi,

here is my contribution to the 3dmodelingandAnimation group contest thingie. I signed in to the group on facebook (but have another name there) and put my model in the shop on public (and buyable) and hopefully had it tagged right. Just wanted to make sure, it's going into the contest. Besides I'm always grateful for critique....it's the only way to get better.
have a pleasant weekend!
cheers
tina

http://shpws.me/vZpG

index.php?t=getfile&id=71855&private=0


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 Topic: What sells the most in your jewelry shop?
Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98983 is a reply to message #98975 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 08:35 UTC
avatar mkroeker  is currently offline mkroeker
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Probably depends on whether local rules would allow shapeways (or their production partners, who- and whereever they are) to hallmark each piece automatically or whether a certified assayer would have to inspect and approve each item. For all I know, hallmarking is not required everywhere, and I assume shapeways is careful enough to not operate in gross violation of local laws. (I just looked up my local law - hallmark is not required, but if present it must be stamped, not engraved or lasered, and must be exact to a few per mil.)

[Updated on: Sun, 21 September 2014 08:35 UTC]

Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98987 is a reply to message #98983 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 09:26 UTC
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I don't want to belabour this point as SW will not engage, but this is my thinking:

1. Each country where precious-metal goods are produced has rules about the allowable (maybe mandatory) marking of these items;
2. The prints goods should be marked according to those rules. (Probably different for US and NL);
3. When the products are shipped to a country not the US or NL, the goods will be treated as imported and the relevance of those marks will be governed by the local laws. According to a quick Google search agreements have been signed between many countries to allow this;

I would also point out (this is for the U.K.):

Quote:

Convention Marks & Other Acceptable Hallmarks
As an alternative to the traditional UK Hallmarks articles may be marked with a Convention Hallmark which may have been applied by any one of the countries included in the International Convention on Hallmarking.

Following a ruling by the European Court of Justice, the UK is required to accept other national hallmarks. Under the guidelines of the British Hallmarking Council, those national hallmarks deemed equivalent to UK hallmarks can be seen by clicking here


And (my bold):

Quote:

HALLMARKING

The Hallmarking Act 1973 provides details on the law covering hallmarking, assaying and describing articles made of, or containing precious metals (gold, silver, platinum and palladium). The act defines the marks that are stamped on an item when it has passed the Assay Office tests. The law says hallmarks must be 'approved'. Due to changes in the law, the definition of approved hallmarks has been extended to include hallmarks which come from countries within the European Economic Areas (EEA Marks). The Approved Hallmarks which are allowed are those which are stamped by an independent organisation according to the law of the member states. The information must also be understandable to the people buying jewellery in that state. Please refer to the Assay Office for more information if necessary.

It is an offence under the Hallmarking Act to describe articles as being made totally or partly of gold, silver, platinum or Palladium, supply or offer to supply an article that is made of gold, silver, platinum or palladium which have not been hallmarked.

Articles do not have to be hallmarked if they weigh less than 1 gram for gold, 0.5 grams for platinum and palladium and 7.78 grams for silver. Articles are only exempt on weight as long as they are of the standard declared.


I do not understand how SW is not contravening the UK laws by selling items as silver, gold and platinum to the UK without marks, let alone all the other countries that these items are shipped to.
Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98988 is a reply to message #98987 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 09:48 UTC
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Hey, guys, the point is that if Shapeways wants to be a legitimate MARKETPLACE selling gold and platinum jewelry and not just "3d printing service" this issue has to be resolved somehow! Since no end customer will buy online gold jewelry that is not proper hallmarked.

The saddest thing that it can destroy customers trust. Since nowhere is stated that it is not hallmarked, the customer could buy gold jewelry and only when receiving it he will find out that it has no mark. Conclusion he will not come back.

As for me I have simply stopped listing the gold/platinum feature for now.

Now another question regarding the packaging - are there small jewelry gift boxes available? Because when I chose the feature of "gift box" I received a square thin cardboard box in silver that was not suitable for any of the pieces I ordered in that same order. This feature is a little confusing especially for the end client, who expects to get a small jewelry box ( when ordering pendant) and a proper sized box when ordering bigger items.

The question is - are there different sizes of this silver box? If yes - what are they?


[Updated on: Sun, 21 September 2014 09:49 UTC]


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98993 is a reply to message #98987 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 11:04 UTC
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Quote:


I do not understand how SW is not contravening the UK laws by selling items as silver, gold and platinum to the UK without marks, let alone all the other countries that these items are shipped to.

Something for specialized lawyers to decide. I suspect that it would be in violation of international free trade treaties if UK customs applied this law to any personal imports - reselling shapeways-made jewelry within the UK market without a recognized hallmark will be a very different matter.
It would probably help if it was stated somewhere that items produced by shapeways will not be hallmarked - but it is not clear to me if it was shapeways' duty to do so, or the responsibility of the individual designer when shapeways is just the manufacturer of unspecified precious-metal items.
(I assume you do not see hallmarks on silver crucibles or dental fillings even in the UK)
Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98994 is a reply to message #98993 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 11:22 UTC
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We live in a diverse world , that it is why I recommend to VISIT A LOCAL LAWYER and I mean it with a text of size 1000 and bold of highest possible!

[Updated on: Sun, 21 September 2014 11:24 UTC]


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98995 is a reply to message #98994 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 11:41 UTC
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Shapeways as far as I u understand is not only a 3d printing, gold casting service it is a market place. This market place unlike Etsy for a example provides you a service of collecting payments, producing the actual item (sold publicly on their own platform) and also the service of shipping the item that is being sold. So as marketplace, production unit and the shipping unit it has somehow to be responsible for the materials offering for sales and production. When Shapeways offers you (a designer) and the end client (regular international online shopper) a product in gold/platinum and is responsible to produce and ship it to the consumer, to my mind it has to have a responsibility of hallmarking it.

I would say that everything is OK if it was a private 3d printing and gold casting service (Business to Business model) that does not have to hallmark the items sold to factories for a final finish, stone setting, hallmarking and further marketing. But Shapeways is both. So it is rather has to make this gold/platinum feature a private option to choose from (available only for the designers) or start marking it by themselves.

At least what Shapeways need to do is warn the shop owners and the rest of the world that the gold items are not marked in any way when ordering from Shapeways!

[Updated on: Sun, 21 September 2014 11:44 UTC]


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #98998 is a reply to message #98995 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 12:06 UTC
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"The rest of the world" does not require harllmark and that rest of the world it is my country that has no hallmark but a TAX Gold items of 2 euro or more per gram if sold in the country at local store.

The laws are so different in E.U. and U.S. that only a specialised lawyer can have a clue about them. UK has different law system than any E.U. country at all !!!

[Updated on: Sun, 21 September 2014 12:07 UTC]


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99002 is a reply to message #98998 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 12:25 UTC
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It is not about "required". I personally do not know any E.U or US gold jewelry online dealer that sells its jewelry with no hallmarks. This is because this kind of jewelry simply won't sell in the precious metals market. It is a tradition, good taste, trust and trademark.

It is like selling a car with no technical description.

[Updated on: Sun, 21 September 2014 12:27 UTC]


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99003 is a reply to message #99002 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 12:33 UTC
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janecreating wrote on Sun, 21 September 2014 12:25

It is not about "required". I personally do not know any E.U or US gold jewelry online dealer that sells its jewelry with no hallmarks. This is because this kind of jewelry simply won't sell in the precious metals market. It is a tradition, good taste, trust and trademark.

It is like selling a car with no technical description.


I repeat , does not apply in whole world. Law it is different in every country , every citizen obey the law of his country , not YOUR COUNTRY LAW. It is not about taste , it is about different civilizations with different laws.

Keep that in mind and don`t take it personal. This it is the reality!


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Re: What sells the most in your jewelry shop? [message #99004 is a reply to message #99003 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 12:35 UTC
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You can drop all precious metals if you have any concern. That it is why the option it is there for use!


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 Topic: X3D textures
Re: X3D textures [message #99008 is a reply to message #98952 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 15:52 UTC
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I attached two screenshots showing the differnce between what I get with my application and what I get from Shapeways after uploading.

Thanks!

Re: X3D textures [message #99009 is a reply to message #99008 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 16:05 UTC
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Try loading your x3d file in netfabb studio basic to check the quality of the mesh. Small gaps or overlaps in the surface may not be apparent in your x3d viewer.
Re: X3D textures [message #99014 is a reply to message #99009 ] Sun, 21 September 2014 19:58 UTC
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Thanks. I tried and the model is fine. I also tried with other viewers like SwView and the model comes up perfectly. I suspect there is an X3D implementation difference somewhere. I don't specify the texture coordinates, may be it is an issue for the Shapeways parser?

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