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 Topic: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing?
Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115124 is a reply to message #115123 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 00:04 UTC
avatar sbhunterca  is currently offline sbhunterca
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In my browser, the flow chart's text is way too small to read and it disappears if I attempt to zoom in... any chance of attaching a file or give a link so we can see it clearly?

Sounds like an interesting topic, but one needs to be able to read the chart to participate!

Thanks!

Steve Hunter
Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115125 is a reply to message #115124 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 00:52 UTC
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Hi Steve,

I right-clicked and saved it to my Desktop, then opened it in Windows Photo Viewer. That let me zoom in, but the size makes it clunky to move around - you can't get any overview without zooming out to where the text is unreadable.
Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115127 is a reply to message #115125 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 02:11 UTC
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here is the link to the full post on the blog http://caxdesigns.com/?p=61 let me know if that doesn't work.
Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115128 is a reply to message #115127 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 03:45 UTC
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Personally, I use Blender - which makes Maya look like a dream - it's free, but absent from chart, from what I could see.


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Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115137 is a reply to message #115128 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 09:13 UTC
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Blender is included, it's only green bubble in the advanced software.

[Updated on: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:13 UTC]

Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115139 is a reply to message #115137 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 12:00 UTC
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Ah, there it is - missed it! Thank you.


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Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115140 is a reply to message #115139 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 12:02 UTC
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Side note: Didn't see Softimage and did some Googling - surprised to see it being discontinued.


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Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115141 is a reply to message #115127 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 12:38 UTC
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Quote:

here is the link to the full post on the blog http://caxdesigns.com/?p=61 let me know if that doesn't work.


Thanks, that makes it much clearer!

My work is almost 100% CAD, although I've done a bit of work sculpting finished CAD surfaces to duplicate stone in some models.

I recently retired and purchased GeoMagic Design/ Alibre... I am very happy with it as it is very powerful, doesn't require a ridiculously expensive computer, is very reasonably priced, and it was a very comfortable transition from the systems I used in my professional career.

I spent about twenty years working with ProEngineer, most recently ProEngineer Wildfire 5. My employer liked the stability of this version, it was paid for, and they weren't enthused about replacing all those licenses with something more current. Pro Eng is now Creo.

Creo really should be listed in the parametric section- perhaps it needs an arrow leading to it from the parametric line as well as from Direct Modelling?

I spent five years with Catia... despite a rather brutal learning curve, I very much liked this program but was perfectly happy going back to a newer version of ProEngineer with a change of employment.

Obviously, both Pro Eng and Catia are extremely high end programs that few designers here on Shapeways will be willing to purchase. This is what I like about GeoMagic Design/ Alibre. I have the same functionality in solid modelling CAD and assembly modelling, but at a reasonable price. I don't have the extensive surfacing package found in Pro Eng, but few users at work needed that- basically, three or four guys who spend most of their time working on aircraft work.

When I retired in October, my employer was exploring a strategy to rationalize about 150 seats of multiple CAD systems, at all levels, from very basic to highly advanced. I was lucky to play a very minor role in this study, and learned about a few systems I'd never heard of previously. Obviously, floating licenses at a corporate level may be part of the solution, with training given at a level appropriate to the individual user. It would be interesting to hear the eventual solution.

Along the way I've used many other CAD systems, but ACAD would be the most important of those. My ACAD experience is too out of date to be of value here, as they were just starting to add 3D functionality when I stopped using it.

One thing that would be nice to see in the flow chart as it develops is some discussion of the weaknesses and strengths of each program, and of the relative popularity in industry. Is there any way to do this, but avoid clutter, possibly by hovering with the mouse or right clicking? Obviously, much of that input would need to come from experienced users in each system. I see you're already starting to fill in costs of software (machine costs could add significantly to the cost of some packages).

Wouldn't it be great if software manufacturers would create a special type of license, where a fee is charged for each hour of use- occasional users wouldn't pay much, but if they used it a lot for short durations they would pay more, while heavy users would be best to just buy the softwae...

A thought is that beginners might not really understand the initial categories very well, and an even more basic column might help them- a "What do I want to do" type of thing, leading sculptors toward organic design , mechanical types toward CAD- but giving guidance as to whether they want direct modelling or parametric, etc... realizing most parametric software can also be used in more basic direct modelling.

Sorry for the rambling reply, but my hope is there might be something useful in here.

I really like what you're doing. The world of 3D modelling, in all its forms, can be a very bewildering place. You're helping beginners to make an informed choice and avoid future regrets.

Steve Hunter

[Updated on: Wed, 06 May 2015 12:40 UTC]

Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115142 is a reply to message #115141 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 12:43 UTC
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If there's any suggestion I'd make, I'd break the chart down into separate charts based on topic; i.e. a chart for Organic Modeling, Industrial Modeling, Animation, etc.


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Re: What Program Should I Learn for 3D Printing? [message #115149 is a reply to message #115142 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 14:13 UTC
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You left out Truespace
http://download.cnet.com/TrueSpace/3000-6677_4-10187286.html
It's old and no longer supported, but it's free.


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 Topic: Bounding Box issue with Stainless Steel.
Re: Bounding Box issue with Stainless Steel. [message #115144 is a reply to message #115074 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 13:18 UTC
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1) rotating the models no longer effects bounding box, and the oriented bounds is used to determine print-ability.

2) Are all items in the same file? Bounding box has been switched to a per part bounding box on models uploaded after May 4th. Your items will fail as not all of them meet the minimum 3mm x 3mm x 3mm.

[Updated on: Wed, 06 May 2015 13:37 UTC]


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Re: Bounding Box issue with Stainless Steel. [message #115147 is a reply to message #115144 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 13:57 UTC
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Youknowwho4eva wrote on Wed, 06 May 2015 13:18

1) rotating the models no longer effects bounding box, and the oriented bounds is used to determine print-ability.



The box models that I posted earlier in this thread are 1cm x 1cm x 1mm. When this model is rotated so that the axis aligned bounds exceed the minimum, it passes that bound box auto check. At least - it did when I uploaded it just a day or so ago.
Re: Bounding Box issue with Stainless Steel. [message #115151 is a reply to message #115074 ] Wed, 06 May 2015 14:41 UTC
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Hmm that shouldn't work :-)

Nevermind. apparently this is intended :-D

[Updated on: Wed, 06 May 2015 14:58 UTC]


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