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Pricing Analysis [message #11626] Sat, 10 April 2010 14:49 UTC Go to next message
avatar rawkstar320  is currently offline rawkstar320
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How much of your order is from a different modeler?[ 14 vote(s) ]
1.<$5 6 / 43%
2.$5-$10 2 / 14%
3.$10-$25 4 / 29%
4.$25-$50 2 / 14%
5.$50-$100 0 / 0%
6.>$100 0 / 0%

Hey everyone, I was just thinking about pricing on Shapeways, and I decided to make a poll.

The reason I thought of this is because I have some rings on my shapeways shop with a markup of about $1-$2. I was checking out other rings that are simpler (but still very cool) that cost $20+ dollars. So, should I be charging that much for my rings? I have sold a few, but I know that I personally would have a hard time paying for them at the $20 mark because they are so small. Or should people be charging less for their rings so that they can sell more of them.

This is just one example of things ive seen, mostly because its the easiest to realize the markup on a small model.

Let me know what you think, and be sure to leave comments below. I think this could be beneficial to all Shapeways members because we will all know how we should price our models.

Some other things that I think would be interesting to know:

1.) How many items do you order from other modelers?
2.) What would you consider you "budget" for other models?
3.) Why to you choose to buy someone elses model? (Useful, Cool, too hard to make yourself..etc)
4.) How did you find the models that you purchased? (cruising the gallery, homepage exposure, shops, outside website, etc)

I dont want people to post info they would deem as "private" and I dont want people to think that I am trying to get private information. I am just really interested to see what people (in general) are willing to spend so we can grab some basic demographics and price our models accordingly.

Thanks everyone!
(feel free to add more Polls to this thread, i can think of 10 more that I want to post. haha)


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #11630 is a reply to message #11626 ] Sat, 10 April 2010 15:14 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How much revenue did your shop generate last month ?[ 12 vote(s) ]
1.$0 4 / 33%
2.$30 5 / 42%
3.$100 1 / 8%
4.$200 2 / 17%
5.$500 0 / 0%
6.$1000 0 / 0%
7.$2000 0 / 0%

Please choose the closest one, to see what kind of ball-park we're in Wink

As to your question :
Kinda depends on the ring I guess, who's to say the markup on $20 rings is that much more ?
A stainless steel ring at 2cc is not that far fetched I think ?

I personally have a very limited budget, so little room to order from other shops, but I do occasionally treat myself to such gifts Smile
My most recent order from another shop was a little over $25.

Ordered, because I just really liked the model.


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #11637 is a reply to message #11626 ] Sat, 10 April 2010 17:23 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I havent actually hit the $30 mark this year yet...im working on it.


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #11651 is a reply to message #11626 ] Sat, 10 April 2010 20:58 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm yes, it's very hard work isn't it Wink

According to the paypal-emails we get, some people are apparently way up there in sales, hence I added the ludicrous multi-zero options Wink

Last month was reasonably good to me, but I do seem to suffer from an incredible drop in sales this month; I only sold one model Laughing
I could think of a million reasons why, but wondering how do others fair in the current months compared to previous ? Do others have a steady stream of sales, or is it also erratic?


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #11655 is a reply to message #11651 ] Sat, 10 April 2010 22:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Small numbers, but surprisingly steady, averaging one sale per week.

The pricing sensitivity is very clear. The model that gives me the most personal satisfaction, and that I'm most proud of, is also $149; I've sold one. The model I made because people kept asking for a less expensive model (although it did turn out really well after a couple revisions) sells for $23, and I've sold seven. No surprises about the ratio, I'm sure.

Since I never really set out to sell anything -- I'm only doing it because Shapeways is kind of set up to encourage selling -- anything more than zero sales makes me happy. No marketing costs, no administrative costs; how bad could that be?


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #11658 is a reply to message #11626 ] Sun, 11 April 2010 04:02 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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awesome!

I was thinking down the lines of making sure models werent overpriced, because we want as many people to be able to get what they want. And we dont want stuff underpriced, because there is no point in getting less than you deserve(well...that statement was a tad loose..but work with me..)

And finally...

the more people that are able to buy stuff, the more money Shapeways makes, the more money we make, the more materials that are offered, the cheaper materials are offered, the more happy people that are in the world. Smile right?


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Ive always tried to keep my models under the $25 mark so that they were most affordable, but I was curious to see if i should be charging more. As of now, my highest markup is $6.


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12431 is a reply to message #11626 ] Mon, 03 May 2010 20:04 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What are you most willing to purchase at the $30 mark?[ 11 vote(s) ]
1.Art (Cool geometric or organic shapes) 3 / 27%
2.Jewelry 2 / 18%
3.Useless Gadget (Something that looks cool on a keychain) 0 / 0%
4.Useful Gadget (something that actualy does something) 5 / 45%
5.Charactors 0 / 0%
6.Models (Cars, Trains etc) 1 / 9%
7.Something Else? 0 / 0%

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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12825 is a reply to message #12431 ] Fri, 14 May 2010 00:21 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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good poll, its helpful that some members are open to this discussion. I'm slowly getting some items in my shop that i think are cool, but I'm struggling to even get any ratings. it'll come i slowly i guess.


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12830 is a reply to message #11626 ] Fri, 14 May 2010 03:46 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks,

Im not really getting the participation that I hoped for though. Which is why I was hoping that at some point, shapeways would put out a survey and maybe release some of that info to shop owners.

I only recently started getting ratings....and its only because i have been pushing my custom iPod Case so hard on Facebook and Twitter. (Feel free to become a fan or follow either of those. Smile )

Still, not very many sales. I only recently broke the $30 in markups, so I am hoping to get a payment next month. I think as i get more followers, convince more people that Shapeways is legit, that I can sell more (oh, and i need more stuff too. )

Anyways, thanks for participating!


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12839 is a reply to message #12830 ] Fri, 14 May 2010 05:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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These surveys are great. We could release more info (not everything though because some info we could not or would not want to).

What answers would you guys be most interested in?
Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12873 is a reply to message #11626 ] Fri, 14 May 2010 20:58 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On my markup overview, I'd like to see a customer identity. I know you guys can't disclose the actual name, so here's an alternative:
Take the username, append a password and take the first five tokens of the MD5 hash of that. That way, you'd have a non-reversible user identification string. This would allow shop owners to track returning customers without disclosing their identity.
Country would also be nice. Just for kicks. I'm very proud I have customers in Russia, Australia, the States, Norway, Hungary, Germany... That's just from my private sales, but I'd like to know about my shop sales as well.

Other than that, I would like to get some basic statistics about my shop. How many visitors and hits do I have, where are my customers referred from? Which products are most popular?
And on the order overview, seeing the referring website attached to the sales would also be nice.

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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12906 is a reply to message #12873 ] Mon, 17 May 2010 05:53 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To Joris: I think it would be interesting for all shop owners to know the average price of the items that have been sold only, on Shapeways.
This would help us to understand if we have a price tag too high or too low (in average).
And also the average markup for items that have been sold.
Once again, it would be help full to understand if we aim the wrong direction.

I did this calcultion recently for my shop and, the average price of the items I sold is $10 (excluding taxes) and my average markup (excluding taxes) is 20%.
I was quite surprise of the nearly "round" result for the average price, because I always try to have nearly round prices but with the prices including taxes Smile

We could also do a poll on those topics although even for our own shops, getting this figures is not easy since we do not have a column with the item price in the Excel file...

Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12911 is a reply to message #12906 ] Mon, 17 May 2010 09:50 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That would be interesting but not tell you the whole story.

Some items tend to sell well because they showcase a material well and both low cost and high cost items do well depending on how they are positioned.

For example: a person might pay a $30 mark up for an art piece but not for a character. So I don't know if thats the right thing to be tracking.

We could also do: number of first time buyers? Or focus on conversion ratios: what percentage of the people that visited your page bought?
Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12920 is a reply to message #11626 ] Mon, 17 May 2010 14:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Joris: That is a good point about the high priced art items.

It really makes sense to me, that a more artsy item would sell for more.

Info wise:
- it would be nice to see the number of visitors to our shop
- Where they were refereed from (web link)
- some info regarding WHO purchased WHAT (even if it was a tag or something..so we can see return buyers)
- What about (instead of an overal average markup), a price breakdown that went by Category, and price range.

So, for example...

Models in the "Puzzles" Category between $0-$100 showed a markup of $XX - $YY and make up TT% of this category.

Maybe that is more info than Shapeways is willing to give..but i figured i would include everything so you can trim out what you want.

On that note, if something of that nature was done - what about a monthly sales report site wide? It wouldnt reflect total dollars of course, or maybe it couldnt have any dollars. But it could show if Puzzles sold more last month than Characters.

Thanks for helping out Joris!


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Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12946 is a reply to message #12920 ] Mon, 17 May 2010 18:45 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sure, I was speaking about an average, but an histogram (a curve showing the sales amount depending on the sale price) would be more interesting. For example if there is a pick at $10 but also at $200, perhaps I will dare doing an object at $200, because I know there can be a purchaser Smile

Rawkstar320 for the details by categories, I am afraid we will have the problem of the model belonging to more than one category than would prevent us from any comparison (if you have a Rubik's cube with the shape of Omer Simpson it will be a Characer and a Puzzle thus you cannot really say if Puzzles sold more than Characters if some items are counted twice)...
Re: Pricing Analysis [message #12966 is a reply to message #11626 ] Tue, 18 May 2010 14:21 UTC Go to previous message
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I thought about that, of course, if there was a rule saying that a model could only belong to say, 3 categories...maybe that would cut down that margin or error?

I suppose my thinking was that there are so many different models out there selling, it would be helpful to know if a $10 Puzzle sells more times than a $5 character.


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