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The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41451] Sun, 08 January 2012 13:24 UTC Go to next message
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3D systems scheduled to launch cubify.com in 2 days..

The website will sell a home 3D printer...(looks like the UP! printer)
plus offer shapeways-like shops for designers to sell and profit from their designs.. while they take care of the production on their vast line of 3D printers...

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We expect Cubify(TM) to become the preferred destination for all kids and adults seeking to earn money by marketing their own 3D creations or by developing new apps for Cubify(TM)." said Rajeev Kulkarni, Vice President and General Manager, Consumer Solutions for 3D Systems.



http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/cubify-brings-3d-printer- and-kinect-app-to-ces/






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Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41498 is a reply to message #41451 ] Mon, 09 January 2012 09:20 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First look Video of 3D system's Cube 3D printer
(check out the print quality)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57354827-1/chessmen-belt s-other-ephemera-come-to-life-with-cube-3d-printer/?tag=mnco l;txt

Will cost $1300 fully assembled not as a crappy kit





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Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41504 is a reply to message #41451 ] Mon, 09 January 2012 12:40 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the video misrepresents the print quality. They say the glove is printed using their "cloud service", so it looks like it was not made on a Cube printer but on a professional machine (if I dare take a guess, it looks like SLS to me). Same thing goes for the shoe, it's way too smooth to be made by FDM.
Still, I'm excited for this printer and hope that the consumables won't be too expensive. I wonder how the quality compares to the higher-end homebrew systems like MakerBot and Ultimaker.
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41510 is a reply to message #41451 ] Mon, 09 January 2012 14:25 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm watching without audio, but I agree that the glove shoe and belt couldn't be made on this printer. No support material.


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Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41610 is a reply to message #41451 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 14:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just wow...!!!

Seems to early, but this is finally gonna be a game changer!

Any technical details?? (resolution, etc...'))))
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41611 is a reply to message #41451 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 14:38 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Cubify site just launched. The price will indeed be $1300 but they're not taking orders right now.

The layer thicknes is 0.125mm. This is far better than what uPrint offers (0.254mm) and even beats the Dimension Elite (0.178mm).
The maximal build size is 14cm cubed. The support material is the same as the model material, by printing it thinner and faster it becomes possible to break it away from the model.
This is even better than WSF (!) which has 0.15mm layers. Judging from the pictures though, the print quality is a lot less even though the layers might be thinner.

The material comes in "cases" of $50 each or $140 for 3. I can't find any spec on how much material is actually inside a case.

[Updated on: Tue, 10 January 2012 14:40 UTC]

Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41612 is a reply to message #41611 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 15:25 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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just watched the ultimaker specs, and just destroy the cube 3d printer.
Not a game changer at all..
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41617 is a reply to message #41451 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 15:49 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well... Shapeways can certainly have a big sigh of relief ... Smile

I seriously thought there was going to be a slaughter here but from what i can see for now It's going to take them a lot of time.. to catch up ...

They have a human reviewer for each model uploaded not an automated system - when a model is approved it gets the 3DP mark as in "ready to 3d print and sell".



@amph when looking for a 3D printer - price aside - ask yourself if you prefer a kit or a fully assembled , tested and fully calibrated one...



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Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41619 is a reply to message #41451 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 16:00 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't understand what their target is. They are showing a kid on some pictures, but they sell a machine with parts that get very hot ...

The website is also rather confusing. The whole idea behind is indeed interesting, but they put too many different things into only one website IMHO. Strangely, uploading a STL to get a quote doesn't seem to be possible...

[Updated on: Tue, 10 January 2012 16:00 UTC]

Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41621 is a reply to message #41451 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 16:17 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've uploaded an STL but it does absolutely nothing. It just sits here. The volume and bounding box fields remain empty.
You can actually offer the files for sale so people can print your models on their own printer. You get to pick your own sales price but they're taking 40% of the money.

Of the printable models, none can actually be ordered and you can't get a price either but it does show two materials: strong white plastic and glossy white plastic. Would that be SLS and SLA respectively, or maybe FDM and SLA?

Of course, I wouldn't trust my files to this service, given that buyers will be able to download them and print out as many copies as they want to give to their friends or even put my files up on Pirate Bay.

I am interested though to get a quote for printing my own models, but I can't find any way to request validation of my file. I wonder if they'll look at it without any action on my side.

Finally, uploading a model is a lot of work, you have to enter a plethora of field and change two settings from default so it remains unlisted. Not a Shapeways killer by any means, yet.

Maybe they'll try to win us over by offering successful shopkeepers a free printer? That'd be nice Laughing
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41625 is a reply to message #41621 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 17:25 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, poked around and could not get the site to accept my files.

Looks like they pushed the site liver before it was ready so they could launch at CES...



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Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41627 is a reply to message #41617 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 18:02 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dizingof wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 15:49




@amph when looking for a 3D printer - price aside - ask yourself if you prefer a kit or a fully assembled , tested and fully calibrated one...






When looking for a 3d printer I'll look for resolution, I don't care if the kit is fully assembles and calibrated if the resolution is crap....for me models with this stair stepping are just not usefull.
I think i'll wait....

For me this cube 3d printer is not good enough.
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41631 is a reply to message #41627 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 20:05 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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People always forget how much of a headache equipment management and upkeep can be.

For me the value of shapeways is that I can entirely offload the manufacturing process. I don't have to purchase equipment, I don't have to be a technical expert in operating and troubleshooting the equipment or hire someone else to do that, I don't have to replace the equipment once it's obsolete, and I don't have to stock consumable for the equipment. All of this costs tons of cash, time, and mental capital.

To make up this amount of money, I feel like you'd have to build a huge number of models using this printer. And since it's a FDM process the build quality will be poor for all but very specific classes of objects. This thing looks like a toy rather than a real product. If it was ~$200 I'd consider getting one for the kids to play with but that is about it.

Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41641 is a reply to message #41631 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 21:59 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't want a home 3D printer to take the place of shapeways.

I agree with the last post. I don't want to be a manufacturing facility.

But, I'd love to have a good 3D printer at home to prototype and work out my designs before sending them to SW. It was save me money (perhaps), but more importantly, it would save me time.

Waiting 2 weeks or more to see if a design worked is really slowing down what I could do with my products. Some times when my order arrives, I don't even remember which designs I ordered because at home I have already moved on to working on new designs.

Still, I don't know that this printer is quite what I'm looking for in quality. It is exciting that there are so many choices for under $2K now compared to just a while ago. It makes me think that something that will have the right price and quality for my needs may be available within the next couple of years.

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Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41648 is a reply to message #41611 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 23:15 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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0.15 is one of the worst modes for WSF machines, probably the one used when people complained about visible lines. Anyway, FDM layers are more visible because they are continuous lines, while dust based systems confuse the eyes a bit thanks to the smaller particle size and the random order they take to form each layer.
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41649 is a reply to message #41641 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 23:18 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I need speed I use more expensive services like zoomrp or solid concepts. Might be helpful for you. They offer identical products as shapeways just faster for a price premium.

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Thanks Tamert,

I am familiar with zoom, but not the other one. I had looked into them before, and the price is sometimes as much as 10 times more expensive than shapeways. That is too much for the projects I have been working on so far, so I have just elected to wait the 2 weeks for my SW stuff.

Also, having a printer in house for prototypes and size checks could mean in some cases only waiting a half hour to get the print back. Even places that say they print and mail it out the same day can't beat that speed. Smile

Have you been happy with the quality of the pieces from those other companies?

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novaking wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 23:23

Thanks Tamert,

I am familiar with zoom, but not the other one. I had looked into them before, and the price is sometimes as much as 10 times more expensive than shapeways. That is too much for the projects I have been working on so far, so I have just elected to wait the 2 weeks for my SW stuff.

Also, having a printer in house for prototypes and size checks could mean in some cases only waiting a half hour to get the print back. Even places that say they print and mail it out the same day can't beat that speed. Smile

Have you been happy with the quality of the pieces from those other companies?

Lincoln


Extremely. Generally their fit and finish is substantially better than shapeways. I think that is where the price premium comes from.

Generally solid concepts is 2.5x shapeways but I have never received a bad print from them that myself and others have received from the shapeways FUD. They have also been on time with every print so far. My last order before Christmas from shapeways was ~15 business days late or 3 weeks.

The pricing from zoomrp seems very random to me. I haven't figured out their algorithm. Sometimes it's 2x shapeways, othertimes it's 10x shapeways.

There maybe other suppliers with better pricing. These are just the ones that I have used.
Re: The giant has awakened.. 3D systems lunches cubify.com [message #41674 is a reply to message #41652 ] Wed, 11 January 2012 09:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, the prices at Cubify are not cheap either. A random 37 cm3 model costs $250 in white strong plastic, versus $50 or so at Shapeways. What are they thinking?
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TomZ wrote on Wed, 11 January 2012 09:44

Well, the prices at Cubify are not cheap either. A random 37 cm3 model costs $250 in white strong plastic, versus $50 or so at Shapeways. What are they thinking?


No doubt they have a serious pricing bug .. strangely i made sales of my Gyroid XL model

Only there is no page to check the sales data and payments etc..

It received the "3D print" icon.. meaning its printable with their service .. but for both available plastics the prices are $1107.. and $736.. Shocked

So i assume customers bought my stl file which isn't so good... Confused




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Selling files is what has put me off Cubify - I create a model file & I get to keep 60% of the sale price and who knows where my models files will end up or how many times it gets copied.

 
   
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