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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19455 is a reply to message #16979 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 17:27 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I disagree, if say a coin were a 2 dimensional representation of a cylinder, flipped in 3D and 2D space, the inverse face has a different outcome. But much like here, you can not represent both outcomes in a 2D world. You either have heads or tails. In 3D you have a coin with both a heads and a tails.


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19456 is a reply to message #19455 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 18:26 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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there is arguments for both which is why i designed both. the d24 is not wrong either way. you can make a d3 by making a standard d6 with opposite faces equal to each other.


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19458 is a reply to message #16979 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 18:52 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just thought it was an interesting discussion Razz. I wonder what the rule would be for numbering a 4D die? Should inverse sides equal to 49? That would be a 2D rule for 3D die, so would 3 sides have to equal a certain number in a forth dimensional world? The sum of x y and the z


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19459 is a reply to message #19458 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 18:59 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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for the d48 i numbered as opossing faces of a cube add to 49. i also kept a patern to how i assigned.

for the d24 faces farthest away from each other add to 25. outer faces where numbered as a d6. intermediate faces were 3 apart on each plane.


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19460 is a reply to message #16979 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 18:59 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok now i need a Tylenol


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19462 is a reply to message #16979 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 19:51 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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maybe this wont hurt as much

Hollow Die
Loaded Hollow Die

they look identical but they arent

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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19494 is a reply to message #19462 ] Thu, 21 October 2010 14:47 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My brain has now leaked out of my ears. I hope you're happy. Mad

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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19495 is a reply to message #19494 ] Thu, 21 October 2010 14:50 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sorry just thought a 4d die was the ultimate geek toy


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19496 is a reply to message #16979 ] Thu, 21 October 2010 14:52 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Think that hurts imagine an E8 die! http://www.zimbio.com/Garrett+Lisi/articles/2/Can+e8+shape+h elp+find+theory+everything+Garrett


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19497 is a reply to message #19496 ] Thu, 21 October 2010 15:01 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i don't think i would want to figure out an appropriate numbering scheme for that. may draw it for fun if the parts i need to fix my printer dont come in soon. my robotics projects are falling behind Sad


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19590 is a reply to message #16979 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 03:00 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Shapers

Here are 3 new dies:

5 Cubes Compound D12 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/cubescompoundd12dice647.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/cubescompoundd12dice648.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/cubescompoundd12dice649.jpg



Floating D12 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/FloatingD12Dice642.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/FloatingD12Dice643.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/FloatingD12Dice644.jpg



And .. Krypton D12 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/KryptonD6Dice636.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/KryptonD6Dice639.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/KryptonD6Dice637.jpg




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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19592 is a reply to message #19590 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 04:06 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neat designs, but you do realize that the d12 is arguably the least used polyheadron in my experience.
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19607 is a reply to message #19592 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 13:13 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what are the most common face counts?


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19608 is a reply to message #19592 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 13:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gumball wrote on Mon, 25 October 2010 04:06

Neat designs, but you do realize that the d12 is arguably the least used polyheadron in my experience.


Well its the artistic value (Yippee! emails) that counts..
expect some more.. Wink

BTW, the Synergy D12 dice
had a slight thin wall issue and is now fixed to be printed in Alumide, metal etc..



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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19613 is a reply to message #16979 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 15:32 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2 more.

Big one >3cm
Cub octahedron D14 Dice


http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/CuboctahedronD14Dice651.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/CuboctahedronD14Dice653.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/CuboctahedronD14Dice652.jpg





gumball check out THIS D12..
Extruded dodecahedron D12 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/ExtrudeddodecahedronD12Dice657.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/ExtrudeddodecahedronD12Dice662.jpg






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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19615 is a reply to message #19613 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 15:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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your numbering is out... opposites add up to 13 on D12s... also see http://www.dicecollector.com/MY_PAPER.HTM for more 'dice snobbery' details Wink
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19616 is a reply to message #19613 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 15:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very nice. I'm not dissing your artistic endeavors, but I've already got one of your d12 and one by someone else, so with two I feel more than full up on d12s.

The only time in recent memory that I needed to roll a d12 in a game was after I informed and asshat of a gm that I didn't have a d12 yet in my metal collection. After I got them, I haven't needed them since!

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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19617 is a reply to message #19616 ] Mon, 25 October 2010 15:57 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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neither of those would roll fair. i don't think the second would even fall on a number.


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19648 is a reply to message #16979 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 12:11 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Shapers,

2 new ones.

Interlocking D12 Dice


http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/InterlockingD12Dice667.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/InterlockingD12Dice668.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/InterlockingD12Dice669.jpg





Dodecahedric Nexorade D12 Dice


http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/DodecahedricNexoradeD12Dice671.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/DodecahedricNexoradeD12Dice674.jpg




Recently i've been using a method i've worked on for some time to give a model an organic, welded, rounded look as you can see in the above dies models - very happy with results !

Also.. with every new dice design i take into consideration the $20+/- mark for an affordable metal print!


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19653 is a reply to message #16979 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 12:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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your Cub octahedron D14 Dice gives me an idea...


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19657 is a reply to message #19616 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 14:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gumball wrote on Mon, 25 October 2010 15:54


The only time in recent memory that I needed to roll a d12 in a game was after I informed and asshat of a gm that I didn't have a d12 yet in my metal collection. After I got them, I haven't needed them since!

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Yeah, it's kind of a bummer that d12s seem to have the most options to play with from a geometry standpoint. So there are really cool d12s to make... but nobody needs them.

I guess we can always number them as d6s or d4s (or d2s or d3s for that matter. Yay for 12, the smallest abundant number), though that seems like cheating.

I'm probably going to keep coming out with d12s as interesting ones occur, usefulness be damned.
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19673 is a reply to message #16979 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 18:40 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My idea of Steampunk dies:

Steampunk D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SteampunkD6Dice685.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SteampunkD6Dice686.jpg





And this beauty...

Steampunk Hinges D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SteampunkHingesD6Dice676.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SteampunkHingesD6Dice677.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SteampunkHingesD6Dice678.jpg






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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19677 is a reply to message #19673 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 19:09 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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your 'hinges' die has got the one opposite the two and 2 sixes opposite each other, but the Steampunk D6 die is very nice Smile
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19678 is a reply to message #19677 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 19:32 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stop4stuff wrote on Tue, 26 October 2010 19:09

your 'hinges' die has got the one opposite the two and 2 sixes opposite each other, but the Steampunk D6 die is very nice Smile


my bad, will be fixed in a sec - thanks ! Smile

edit: Fixed !


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19679 is a reply to message #19678 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 19:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought it was a cheater die!

If I had the cash right now I'd rush over and buy one!

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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19681 is a reply to message #19679 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 20:26 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gumball wrote on Tue, 26 October 2010 19:43

I thought it was a cheater die!

If I had the cash right now I'd rush over and buy one!

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Too late, it's fixed Razz


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19682 is a reply to message #16979 ] Tue, 26 October 2010 21:07 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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one more !

Floating Steampunk D6 dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/FloatingSteampunkD6dice690.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/FloatingSteampunkD6dice691.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/FloatingSteampunkD6dice689.jpg





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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19707 is a reply to message #16979 ] Wed, 27 October 2010 13:11 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Shapers,

Talk about "passionate about creating"...

I'm in a dice-design-frenzy to make it to the 100th dice design !
(right now i'm at 94 dies Shocked )

Here are 4 new dies -
(btw, I noticed GoogleBot loves my rendering..)

Art Deco Grill D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/GrillD6Dice694.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/GrillD6Dice695.jpg






Starfish D12 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/StarfishD12Dice699.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/StarfishD12Dice700.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/StarfishD12Dice701.jpg







Weighted Companion D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/WeightedCompanionD6Dice711.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/WeightedCompanionD6Dice704.jpg




Ancient Persian D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/AncientPersianD6Dice714.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/AncientPersianD6Dice717.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/AncientPersianD6Dice715.jpg








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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19899 is a reply to message #19707 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 00:09 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gumball want a die with 2 sixs on it here is a chance.

I have ordered one to test but it will probably be 3 weeks before I get it. I am 99% sure this will work and if it doesn't a little sand paper and/or glue is all that is needed to fix it. Because it would be so easy to fix I have put up at a slight discount until I get the test model in. Hope you enjoy.

index.php?t=getfile&id=5700&private=0

Want to make your own die. Now you can. Get each side dyed different colours, configure the dye to prefer one side over another or get the shell made up of a different material then the sides. The options are limitless(Well 1,330,255,872 combinations if you keep to standard die numbering and do not cut the alignment tabs off.).

What you need is the frame and 6 faces. Assembled them together by pushing the faces into the frame. For your convenience there is a kit available with all 6 fair and all 6 loaded faces and the frame:
http://www.shapeways.com/model/170915/build_your_own_die_kit .html

If you want to make combinations then use these options
http://www.shapeways.com/model/170772/build_your_own_die.htm l – Die Frame

http://www.shapeways.com/model/170777/byod_fair_die_faces.ht ml – Fair Faces
http://www.shapeways.com/model/170902/byod_loaded_die_faces. html – Loaded Faces

http://www.shapeways.com/model/171060/byod_loaded_side_1.htm l – Loaded Side 1
http://www.shapeways.com/model/171061/byod_loaded_side_2.htm l – Loaded Side 2
http://www.shapeways.com/model/171062/byod_loaded_side_3.htm l – Loaded Side 3
http://www.shapeways.com/model/171063/byod_loaded_side_4.htm l – Loaded Side 4
http://www.shapeways.com/model/171064/byod_loaded_side_5.htm l – Loaded Side 5
http://www.shapeways.com/model/171065/byod_loaded_side_6.htm l – Loaded Side 6

Fair sides are not available individually because you can make a fair die out of the loaded sides by arranging in the order shown on the loaded faces rendering.

For the loaded dies each side can be place in 1 of 4 ways. If you want to make the die role more often to 1 side then another place the heavy side away from the number you want it to roll. Placing the weights opposite each other will cancel there effect out. Placing 4 together will shift the center of gravity 499um towards that side.

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@mctrivia: That will be awesome if it works. Be sure to show us pictures when your sample arrives. Great thinking!
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19901 is a reply to message #19899 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 08:32 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mctrivia,

That's a nice concept.
But what about simply doing a separate "load" (a cylinder or a cone with a hole) that fits between any fair face and the frame?
Just an idea.


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that is a great idea magic.

http://www.shapeways.com/model/171151/byod_steel_weigth.html

only makes sense if made of steel. Will shift center of gravity 3.2mm towards side with the weight.

Markup is only $0.05 until Wednesday in thanks for the great idea.


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19905 is a reply to message #19903 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 14:13 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are welcome Smile
Since I am here, let me show you one of my latest projets : the Average Die.
It is similar to some framed dice I've seen here: an octahedron inside a framed cube. But to find the result of your draw, you have to make the average of the four faces of the inner octahedron that are pointing upward.
index.php?t=getfile&id=5703&private=0
For instance, 8 + 10 + 1 + 1 = 20, thus the result is 20/4 = 5. The positions of the results (from 1 to 6) match those of a standard D6.
This obliges you to make some mental exercise (interesting for children, for instance), and it makes the suspens even longer to check your result!
I am currently working on a version with letters and versions with different numbers of faces.

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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19906 is a reply to message #19905 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 14:24 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you have not made the design public


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19908 is a reply to message #19906 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 14:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oops! Sorry. Fixed.
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19909 is a reply to message #16979 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 14:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Magic, i can imagine some very confusing faces when the dice lands ..

"ehhh.. dude is that a 6? " Very Happy


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19910 is a reply to message #19909 ] Sun, 31 October 2010 14:36 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(10+8+4+2)/4 is indeed a 6 Razz

It is designed with a frame whose wires are 3mm of diameter, so it is suitable for metal, by the way.
Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19951 is a reply to message #16979 ] Mon, 01 November 2010 23:58 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey everyone,

3 New dies :


Sunken D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SunkenD6Dice801.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SunkenD6Dice802.jpg





Tornado D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/TornadoD6Dice807.jpg

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My favorite for this "batch" - Sorcerer's D6 Dice


http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SorcerersD6Dice814.jpg

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/SorcerersD6Dice815.jpg

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Enjoy !
Dizingof


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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19972 is a reply to message #16979 ] Tue, 02 November 2010 17:15 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Shapers !

My 99th dice design - Resonate D12 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/ResonateD12Dice828.jpg

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And.... my 100th dice design !

Cross D6 Dice

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/dizingof/CrossD6Dice-my100thdicedesign832.jpg

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Cheers
Dizingof






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Re: Designing dice for dice snobs [message #19989 is a reply to message #19972 ] Tue, 02 November 2010 21:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Well that gave me an interesting idea. Standard cross is made up of quarters. So here is a cross die made that way. And always has been weighted to keep fair. However there is probably pretty good odds you may roll a corner occasionally. Will get 1 up later that will fix that.

Cross Die

http://www.shapeways.com/modules/udesign/utils/openfile.php?id=172041&f=172041_large_v0.jpg

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