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Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69305] Thu, 06 June 2013 16:37 UTC Go to next message
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I have 2-D vector (.eps and .ai Illustrator) files that I need to turn into simple 3-D files for 3-D printing in metal.
Can anyone tell me what program can do this fairly easily?
Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69308 is a reply to message #69305 ] Thu, 06 June 2013 17:04 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69451 is a reply to message #69308 ] Fri, 07 June 2013 21:29 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shapeways' creator for this works amazingly well, but if you want your own software for this most full featured 3D software can do this. I've found though that Zbrush can do it best since one can implement numerous effects to the extrusion.


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69452 is a reply to message #69451 ] Fri, 07 June 2013 21:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the reply. I was not able to create it in Shapeways. When I added a base it seemed like there was no option other than rectangle.
Did you look at the photos of what I am trying to print?

Scott
Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69453 is a reply to message #69452 ] Fri, 07 June 2013 21:37 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. Can you direct me to the photos. I seemed to have missed that. Smile


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69454 is a reply to message #69453 ] Fri, 07 June 2013 21:48 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69456 is a reply to message #69454 ] Fri, 07 June 2013 22:09 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh ok, I saw this in some other thread I think. There are numerous ways to do this. And yeah, the Shapeways creator cannot do the extra steps at this time.

I'll try to see if I can come up with a way to do it using free software since you want to learn how. Or do any of the readers already know off the top of their head how to do this? I'll send a reply later. Smile


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69474 is a reply to message #69456 ] Sat, 08 June 2013 00:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok, this can be done using Sketchup, Shapeways' Create 2D to 3D, Netfabb's Cloud Service and Netfabb's Studio Basic.

First install Sketchup.

Then install three plugins for Sketchup. An STL importer called Sketchup-stl. The instructions are here. A deformer called Shape Bender and notice in the instructions it calls for installing Progressbar.rb.

Then install Netfabb Studio Basic.

Having done that the workflow will go something like this. Check the design rules for the material you want to print in. Then design your 2D design in Illustrator or whatever 2D vector graphics software you use as you already have and then make a separate file that will be your elliptical background. Upload and extrude both of those files using Shapeways' Create 2D to 3D. Then go to your My Models page here on Shapeways and download them. Click on the text to go to the model page to download, not the edit model link. This will get you the two STL files you'll need. You can avoid this step if you find out how to import AI files into Sketchup. I skipped doing it this way cuz I'm not sure what's a good way to do this.

So now import the two STL files in Sketchup and use the Shape Bender plugin with some curves that you draw with the radii that you want. The scale should have been picked up from the STL file that you made with Shapeways' Create 2D to 3D. If you want to know how to do just about anything in Sketchup just search Youtube as there are bajillions of tutorials on there for Sketchup covering just about everything you would want to know. Once deformed, position them how you want with a little intersection between them. You need to have them intersecting a little so you can weld them together. After everything looks good in Sketchup export it as a single STL.

Now take your STL and upload it to the Netfabb Cloud Service to weld everything together and delete all of the unwanted polygons inside. What The cloud will give you is a perfect watertight STL that you can upload to Shapeways. You can do all of this in Sketchup, it's just easier to do it with the Netfabb Cloud.

One last step is to import it into Netfabb Studio Basic and double check that it is the size that you want. If it is you're all good, if not use this software to adjust the scale. Now all you have to is upload to Shapeways and pick the material you want to print in. Smile

Let me know if you get stuck and we'll sort it out.


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69549 is a reply to message #69474 ] Mon, 10 June 2013 17:25 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I played with the shapeways creator to try it out. Worked great with a slightly modified shapeways logo jpeg.

http://images.shapeways.com/model/picture/674x501_1143677_1058734_1370719877.jpg?key=d7c5e66c6768053c826fa72a1a74e144

But when I uploaded it to Tinkercad I got this:

index.php?t=getfile&id=34149&private=0

I'll assume the problem is at the Tinkercad end. Probably some non-standard file format issue or other obscure computer item.

Has anyone else ever tried uploading files to Tinkercad?

Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69564 is a reply to message #69549 ] Mon, 10 June 2013 20:59 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perhaps someone reading does, but myself I do not know the detailed operations of Tinkercad. Some things you can do are:

Upload the file to the Netfabb Cloud Service and see if the resulting file makes a difference when importing to Tinkercad.
Try posting the Shapeways STL here as an attachment so we can take a look at it. The attachment button appears when you are composing a reply, just below the text window.

If we can rule out whether or not the file is errant we can then possibly start looking at Tinkercad and what to do to get a useable file imported into it.


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69571 is a reply to message #69564 ] Mon, 10 June 2013 22:04 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll try Netfabb later tonight and see if that works better.

In the meantime here is a link to the model page. I've made the model downloadable.
http://www.shapeways.com/model/1143677

Also attached is the file I downloaded and tried to upload to Tinkercad.

Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69587 is a reply to message #69564 ] Tue, 11 June 2013 06:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I processed the problem file through Netfabb and reloaded the repaired file into Tinkercad and it worked.

index.php?t=getfile&id=34198&private=0


The top is the file straight from the 2d to 3D app and the bottom is the same file repaired through Netfabb, both viewed in a Tinkercad file. It's nice to know that there's a way to get this to work well.

Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69608 is a reply to message #69587 ] Tue, 11 June 2013 14:21 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great! I'm glad you got it working! Very Happy

Thanks for providing the file. Sorry I didn't get back to you, I had to go away for a while. Smile


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69704 is a reply to message #69474 ] Wed, 12 June 2013 17:14 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I work on a Mac and it appears that ShapeBender does not work on my platform.
Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69726 is a reply to message #69704 ] Wed, 12 June 2013 23:27 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmmm... That's strange since it is a Ruby script that runs inside of Sketchup. It should be platform independent. Did you remember to install the Progressbar.rb? Does it install at all? Or is it more of a functionality problem? Try using the free Pluginstore to do the installs.

How about the bend function of FredoScale. See if that will work for you.




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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69770 is a reply to message #69726 ] Thu, 13 June 2013 19:08 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can't seem to get any plug ins to download in Sketchup. Frediscale looks like a Windows program.
Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #69772 is a reply to message #69770 ] Thu, 13 June 2013 20:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I've never used a Mac so i don't know much about that. Try these instructions which cover Mac as well as PC.

If that fails, post a thread in the SketchUcation forum, it's one of the top forums for Sketchup.


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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #70678 is a reply to message #69474 ] Fri, 28 June 2013 19:58 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have two .stl files that are flat art. I need to combine them, one on top of the other, then put a curve to both.
Attached is file 1 of 3. Can anyone tell me how to do this in MeshLabb or NetFabb?

Much thanks.
Scott

Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #70679 is a reply to message #69305 ] Fri, 28 June 2013 19:59 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is file 2 of 3.

Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #70680 is a reply to message #69305 ] Fri, 28 June 2013 20:01 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is a photo of what I'm trying to reproduce by 3-D printing. I currently make them in brass.

Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #70920 is a reply to message #70680 ] Wed, 03 July 2013 22:24 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I was away from the forum and my computer for a few days and didn't see this till just now.

Nether Meshlab nor Netfabb can do the deformations you want. I whipped up the deformation for you so you can get an idea, but we need to talk about what Shapeways material you want to print this in; so that the design rules can be followed for that particular material. Also, you didn't specify a radius for the bend, so that too would need to be discussed.

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Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #70976 is a reply to message #70920 ] Thu, 04 July 2013 15:57 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow, that looks very close to the curve I want.
The actual badge that I make are curved to fit onto
bicycle head tubes that are 1.25-1.5" in diameter, but they do not go
around the entire tube. Attached is an example of the badge on a
1.5" diameter tube.

I want to print the file in steel.

Scott Mayeda
Re: Need someone to teach me how to turn 2-D art into 3-D [message #71032 is a reply to message #70976 ] Fri, 05 July 2013 13:54 UTC Go to previous message
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I can make two models for you that have the two different radii that you need. However, there's a problem. To have this printed in stainless steel it will need quite a bit of editing. Take a look at the design rules for stainless steel here. The minimum thickness for the whole base needs to be 3 mm, you're currently at about 0.533 mm. Also, take a look at your engravings, they need to be 1 mm deep by a minimum of 1 mm wide, yet there are engravings in your design that are as small as 0.3 mm. Although,0.3 mm engravings will work for sterling silver, it won't work for stainless steel. What will happen is the engravings will be mostly filled up with material.

You can try to see if Shapeways will print it in stainless with those engravings that you have, but if they do, you might be disappointed by the results. Before seeing if they will even do it though it'll need to have the thickness increased to 3 mm.


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