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Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62257] Sun, 17 February 2013 21:12 UTC Go to next message
avatar GarySG  is currently offline GarySG
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I know that FD and FUD plastics use a wax support that is then drained out, but currently I'm working on a design that keeps that wax inside as a design feature, my question is, does the 'transparent detail' use the same wax supports inside?


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Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62267 is a reply to message #62257 ] Sun, 17 February 2013 23:14 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, it is not "the same" wax, but YES, there is support material involved.
From what I've been able to understand, the Support Material used with TD, BD and WD is simply the same material as the main model, but it is simply "uncured" material. On my models it's had more the consistency of gelatin than wax.


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Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62271 is a reply to message #62267 ] Sun, 17 February 2013 23:49 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it were left inside my model, would it stand out and be defined? A design I'm working on is solely possible if one of the materials has defined contours inside it, due to the wax/whatever material might be the case.


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Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62272 is a reply to message #62267 ] Mon, 18 February 2013 00:06 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can learn more about Objet transparent materials here.

I don't think Shapeways will let you encapsulate the support material though. That would be breaking the design rules and would result in a rejection.

Shapeways does high volume 3D printing, consequently, they need to have everyone stick to the design rules so the thousands of items they are 3D printing each day can flow without hangups. If you really need to encapsulate the support material you might get away with negotiating with one the low volume 3D printing service bureaus that also use Objet machines, however, you're going to pay more since Shapeways' high volume lets them beat everyone's rates.




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Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62273 is a reply to message #62271 ] Mon, 18 February 2013 00:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GairBear66 wrote on Sun, 17 February 2013 23:49

If it were left inside my model, would it stand out and be defined? A design I'm working on is solely possible if one of the materials has defined contours inside it, due to the wax/whatever material might be the case.


You replied just as I replied. Very Happy I see what you're thinking of doing now. Shapeways doesn't offer the service at this time, but the cool thing about Objet machines is they can 3D print in a number of materials at the same time. Look for other 3D printing service bureaus that offer Objet simultaneous multiple material 3D printing.

Or, what you might try is printing your model hollow at Shapeways and then fill it with some kind of colored liquid or resin to obtain the same effect.




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Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62288 is a reply to message #62273 ] Mon, 18 February 2013 08:13 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check out this thread 60872
Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62289 is a reply to message #62288 ] Mon, 18 February 2013 08:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also in this thread.
Bart, any update on how this is seen at shapeways ?
Re: Does transparent detail use wax? [message #62299 is a reply to message #62271 ] Mon, 18 February 2013 10:42 UTC Go to previous message
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A comparison of TD & FUD

Transparent Detail with trapped support material (uncured resin) backlit with an LED
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_193270_116386_1338413386.jpg

The same model at 1/2 scale in FUD
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_247466_127133_1338413387.jpg

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