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Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56552] Fri, 09 November 2012 12:46 UTC Go to next message
avatar Dotsan  is currently offline Dotsan
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Having worked on many models for Shapeways customers over the years, I developed an understanding of good design unique to 3D printing. I came up with an idea that ticket all the boxes in terms of aesthetic, size and cost. I knew it would be challenging and push Shapeways to their limits. They always seem to be partying and enjoying themselves so I thought I'd make them work for their money; I did and I nearly broke them Laughing

The design I came up with is a classic majestic Stag Head, inspired by the work of Matthew Plummer-Fernandez originaly it was a modeling and rendering exercise in Rhino 3D and Maxwell Render which I've posted on Society 6.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/8043420882_2d27018d18_z.jpg
3D Stag by Dot San, on Flickr

I Knew a solid design would cost a fortune to 3D print because of the amount of material needed. I created a triangulated mesh which dramatically reduced the cost and it hit the sweet spot for a beautiful design, the largest size possible to print and at the lowest cost. The large model was 57.56cm w x 30.0cm d x 32.04cm h, the cost was coming in at an amazing 25 Euro without VAT & Shipping.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8185/8082458243_aa929f5755_z.jpg
Stag Wire 2 by Dot San, on Flickr

I placed an order with Shapeways, some time had passed, its fragility was causing problems during the cleaning process but was told a good one would be sent, which it was and WOW what a big box. So if I was ever going to make a video of unboxing prints I had to make it of this one.

Unpacking video

(would like to know how to embed a video on to this forum)

Fantastic care was taken with packaging which I managed to recycle. I was very impressed with the results and Shapeways did a fantastic job. The models look fantastic on a wall and the smaller ones also work well as hanging ornaments.

So the video was done and I took a few pictures and uploaded the models to my shop:
Small Stag Head
Large Stag Head

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8169228704_0ca7f46006_z.jpg
Large Stag2 by Dot San, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8063/8166698017_23b6147c9a_z.jpg
3 small stags b by Dot San, on Flickr

As soon as I uploaded them the orders started to come in and I thought to myself happy days, let the good times roll. In the back of my mind and through experience I felt it was too good to be true and yep I was right, although Shapeways loved the design I was told the large Stag Head would kill them if it became popular which it did The size meant it did not fit in with the pricing structure, automated processes and require additional man hours, basically it was not feasible to produce even if the wire diameter was increased to strengthen it. I sadly had to unlist the large Stag Head from sale and disappoint a lot potential customers.

The conclusion is to avoid future dissapointment, Shapeways has to be clear on the largest models it is willing to print not what the maximum printing box size is as this is misleading. I hope I've given some food for thought, it's crap when your creativity is restricted but design relishes in challenges so lets see what I can come up with next?

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Your ideas modeled and checked for 3D Printing by Dot San by Dot San, on Flickr

[Updated on: Wed, 14 November 2012 15:30 UTC]


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Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56563 is a reply to message #56552 ] Fri, 09 November 2012 16:04 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
avatar mkroeker  is currently offline mkroeker
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Great work, but I am guessing you already knew this was not quite fair when you saw the 25 euros.
Confused
Perhaps shapeways should stock up on tear-damp "never do this again" notes to include in such
parcels, to avoid confusion between what is technically possible as a one-off piece and what is
acceptable as a recurring sales item ?
Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56565 is a reply to message #56563 ] Fri, 09 November 2012 17:15 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I did think it was too good to be true and I was proved right.


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Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56736 is a reply to message #56565 ] Mon, 12 November 2012 23:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I understand your frustration (sometimes I am daydreaming about using an entire printer frame for one of my zeolite models - a madman's
jungle gym built from zillions of corner-sharing 4mm wide tetrahedra). In the video, the large stag head looks so fragile that I wonder how
many of your prospective buyers would have ended up breaking it during unpacking.
If you would make the wires thicker, say 2 to 3 mm, it would probably still not be out of proportion, the model should be much more robust
and a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation puts it price somewhere in the 200-300 euro range, possibly more acceptable for shapeways
and not completely out of reach for at least some design aficionados ?
Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56740 is a reply to message #56736 ] Tue, 13 November 2012 00:02 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1mm is below what SW rules say about walls, for 570mm the minimum is 3.42mm.
Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56776 is a reply to message #56552 ] Tue, 13 November 2012 14:01 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For some other information, check out this blog entry http://www.shapeways.com/blog/archives/1750-Pushing-the-Limi ts-of-3D-Printing-Large-Fragile-3D-Prints.html


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Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56821 is a reply to message #56552 ] Wed, 14 November 2012 10:27 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very stunning design. good job


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Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #56830 is a reply to message #56552 ] Wed, 14 November 2012 14:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that's an interesting story. actually your design is so huge I think people would buy it even if it would cost 4times as before.
it's a smokin' good design. Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Wed, 14 November 2012 14:56 UTC]

More Boo Hoo [message #57743 is a reply to message #56830 ] Fri, 30 November 2012 16:01 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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More boo hoo, since the introduction of tumbling all colours, have had to regrettably remove the colour option for all the sizes. This is a shame as I think there will be many refined designs that were available before and won't be now. I suppose it is in the nature of the beast of a technology company changing as it grows, experimenting and learning but ruddy annoying if you are the designer and have to redesign your models every time a new material or process is introduced, I can't see this stopping?


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Re: More Boo Hoo [message #57745 is a reply to message #57743 ] Fri, 30 November 2012 16:38 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah that's what we get for wanting to use an innovative technology.

I'm sure at some point it will stabilize a bit, but I expect it'll take a couple years yet. In the mean time lets hope it just makes our stuff more exclusive Wink
Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #58691 is a reply to message #56552 ] Sun, 16 December 2012 14:49 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From one extreme to another, the design is so versatile. A customer requested a miniature version at 1:12 scale for her dolls houses, you should check out Megan's amazing creations here http://modernminihouses.com/ here are some pictures she sent me, this is how I hoped the bigger stag would of looked at 1:1 scale.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8073/8277794292_663e8619e9_z.jpg
Stag for 1:12 scale dolls house by Dot San, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8206/8268607767_040f59b23d_z.jpg
Stag for 1:12 scale dolls house by Dot San, on Flickr


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Re: Whoo Hoo & Boo Hoo [message #58769 is a reply to message #58691 ] Mon, 17 December 2012 22:20 UTC Go to previous message
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that is SO awesome...



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