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Is it possible to use Google Sketchup for 3D modelling adn export in a format that U-design.it can handle?

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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #164 is a reply to message #163 ] Sat, 15 March 2008 13:13 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Ton,

yes and no: Google Sketchup files are just zipped archives that contain Collada files inside, but those files aren't properly triangulated so you can't upload them yet. We're preparing a new release of the 3D backend though which can handle non-triangulated files (and a lot more!) and after that it should be possible.

I'll give this a try and let you know how to do this once the new tools are in place!

Cheers,

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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #165 is a reply to message #164 ] Mon, 17 March 2008 12:53 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To import Sketchup models in U-Design, take the following steps:

1. Export the model from Sketchup as a Google Earth 4 file.
2. Rename the resulting file and give it the file extension .zip
3. Unzip the file - inside there will be a folder called 'Models' which contains your model as a Collada file.

I've given it a couple of tries and I think our new Collada importers are already a lot better than before, but there's still something funny about the Collada files that Sketchup exports. I give you a 50/50 chance that this scenario is going to work...


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #166 is a reply to message #163 ] Mon, 17 March 2008 14:12 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Ton,

Maybe we can help you getting your model into our system?

If you sent me a WaveFront (.obj) export from Google Sketchup I can try to convert it for you.

Please sent it to service@u-design.it

Best regards,

Robert
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #172 is a reply to message #166 ] Sat, 22 March 2008 18:19 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Guys,

I was just curious whether the conversion did work?

Cheers,

Jochem
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #355 is a reply to message #163 ] Fri, 25 July 2008 18:11 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I also have a Google Sketchup! file that I would like to try out. Would you be willing to take a look at it for me? I am very excited about using your service.

I have attached the same type of .obj file you requested from Ton in this thread.

Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #357 is a reply to message #355 ] Fri, 25 July 2008 19:40 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,

please find your file attached as collada.
It is a very solid model, which means even scaled to 9x9x9 cm it is quite a lot of material. Try and make the blocks hollow will significantly reduce the price!

Peter

Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #361 is a reply to message #163 ] Fri, 25 July 2008 20:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the quick reply!

I am very amateur at 3D modeling so hopefully I can figure out how to 'hollow out' this model. Thanks for getting this converted for me, it looks great.
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #882 is a reply to message #164 ] Thu, 14 August 2008 02:36 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sketchup pro can export as a collada file (.dae), are you saying that these files are also not properly triangulated, despite being in the collada format?
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #1592 is a reply to message #357 ] Thu, 16 October 2008 21:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,

I too am using Google Sketchup and am having problems. Accutrans indicates a watertight mesh, however some edges are shared with 3 or more polygons (I can't find them though). When I import the model into Blender I receive an error message that the meshes include "old style edgecodes."

Please find my .obj file attached. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong - any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #1618 is a reply to message #1592 ] Sun, 19 October 2008 00:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I managed to use Sketchup Pro and get a printable model, using this approach:

- Export from Sketchup Pro as DXF
- Use Accutrans to convert from DXF to DAE

Re: Google Sketchup possible, oh yeah! [message #1710 is a reply to message #1618 ] Sat, 25 October 2008 12:36 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello everyone!

this just came out, haven't tried it yet but it might just be the thing for sketchup users, and it is free! Here is the article and the download site:

Article on Make magazine

Download site

Hope it works!
Very Happy

[Updated on: Sat, 25 October 2008 12:36 UTC]

Re: Google Sketchup possible, oh yeah! [message #1713 is a reply to message #1710 ] Sat, 25 October 2008 15:14 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've been playing with it and I have gotten it to work once or twice.

But, somehow for me, most of the time it doesn't work and gives me all sorts of errors in the model.

Let us know if you can get it to work consistently.

I hope I'm just missing something or doing something wrong when I have to manually repair the model in sketch up.

This would indeed be really really awesome if it worked.

Joris
Re: Google Sketchup possible, oh yeah! [message #2054 is a reply to message #1713 ] Thu, 20 November 2008 16:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have tried numerous times, and the cadspan plugin never seems to work. A couple times I did receive what appeared to be a solid model according to meshlab and blender, but they never are accepted on upload.
Re: Google Sketchup possible, oh yeah! [message #2056 is a reply to message #1713 ] Thu, 20 November 2008 19:37 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi guys,

I didn't realise this was still an issue for some people. I do all my modelling in google sketchup. My export process is simple:

google sketchup->export 3d model->google earth 4 file(.kmz)

change the extension to .zip and extract the file.
find the model file and open it in Meshlab.
save as the appropriate file.

If you're careful with your models you shouldn't have any problems. The one time I did, the close holes script in Meshlab fixed it beautifully on the default settings. Every model I have submitted to Shapeways for some time has used this process, with the only exception being that I usually overscale my models in sketchup before export, and then reduce them again with Accutrans afterwards, to retain the highest possible detail for the conversion out of nurbs, and because I also find larger models easier to work with in sketchup.

If anyone else is having problems with this process, send your sketchup file my way and I'll give it a try for you. Once I got it down, this process was perfect and easy.

cheers,
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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #4678 is a reply to message #163 ] Fri, 29 May 2009 12:11 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just download cadspan plug-in for sketchup, the progress is so easy. End that makes it possible for everyone to make a 3D print in sketchup.
I will try the earht export thing tanx


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #4694 is a reply to message #163 ] Fri, 29 May 2009 20:03 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I tried the Google Earth 4 file but shapeways gives an error. So the best/easiest way for sketchup users it i think cadspan. Its is fast and easy


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #4699 is a reply to message #163 ] Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ill second (third) the whole Cadspan plugin option. It works consistently for me on a mac.
You must run all of the steps in order, and pay particular attention to the missing faces and holes that the plug in tells you to fix. Careful modeling from the start will minimize these though.
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #5155 is a reply to message #163 ] Tue, 07 July 2009 04:20 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is the process that I have found successful for getting Google SketchUp (version 7.0.10248, free) models into Shapeways:


  1. Start a new model in Sketchup using the "Product design and Woodworking (millimeters)" template
  2. Verify that the model uses millimeters by going to Window > Model Info > Units
  3. Export the model to a .kmz file: File > Export > 3D Model
  4. Change the .kmz extension of the file SketchUp just exported to .zip
  5. Unzip that file (OS X's Finder will do this for you)
  6. Inside the unzipped file you will find a "models" directory with a .dae file inside
  7. Open that .dae file with Meshlab (it's free)
  8. Save the model as an .stl file File > Save As > Format: STL
  9. Go to the Shapeways upload page and select the .stl file that Meshlab just saved
  10. Select "Millimeters" on the Shapeways upload page (this option is not visible until you choose a .stl file)
  11. Upload the model file to Shapeways
  12. Wait for your confirmation email from Shapeways


I'm using Mac OS X 10.5 for all of these steps.

It took me quite a long time to nail down a reliable method, so I hope this helps someone. Smile

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icon14.gif  Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #5744 is a reply to message #5155 ] Sun, 09 August 2009 02:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks thanks thanks! This thread has been super helpful--and I love seeing all the free-ware (I'm tres broke)!
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #7266 is a reply to message #163 ] Wed, 14 October 2009 08:55 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In the latest version of sketchup, collada export is included, with many handy options!

sincerely,
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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #7463 is a reply to message #163 ] Sat, 24 October 2009 18:02 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Latest version of sketchup - pro or normal - then follow the directions here:

<a href=" http://www.barrule.com/jeds/sketchup/sketchup%20tutorial.htm l" target="_blank"></a>

You will want to ahve Accutrans3D and Meshlabs.... both are invaluable and Meshlab has a lot of other features you will get used to using - its also about the only program that will take a sketchup .dae file and convert it sensibly into a proper .stl file.

I've been using sketchup for some time now to make commercial items based upon 3D printed masters...it used to be the "Old method" of exporting .kmz files and then pratting around.. thankfully it is a lot easier now.

Of note also is that using the "old method" the files become completely scrambled and utterly useless now - so this procedure replaces the "Old method" unless you are using an earlier version of skethcup than 7.1.

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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8325 is a reply to message #163 ] Mon, 14 December 2009 20:21 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is a FREE plugin that worked for me. It has an STL exporter that can be used by itself, or the model can be resurfaced, making some of the poorly drawn, planar models a solid STL. Super easy to use.

http://www.cadspan.com/tools

I also chatted with the staff there about a special piece I wanted to try in the plaster material first and they were really helpful .

Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8452 is a reply to message #8325 ] Sun, 20 December 2009 16:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For Sketchup also have a look here:
http://www.shapeways.com/tutorials/sketchup_3d_printing_expo rt_to_stl_tutorial
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8523 is a reply to message #8325 ] Wed, 23 December 2009 21:07 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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05willys wrote on Mon, 14 December 2009 20:21

There is a FREE plugin that worked for me. It has an STL exporter that can be used by itself, or the model can be resurfaced, making some of the poorly drawn, planar models a solid STL. Super easy to use.

http://www.cadspan.com/tools

I also chatted with the staff there about a special piece I wanted to try in the plaster material first and they were really helpful .




The exporter sounds interesting but I sure won't be using their printing service: US$85 per HOUR with each project taking about a DAY to produce !! Give me a break!


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8524 is a reply to message #8523 ] Wed, 23 December 2009 21:53 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I just tried the CADspan plug-in for Sketchup and user beware; as far as I can tell you cannot export to .stl without using the Cadspan service.... correct me if I'm wrong and please detail the procedure you're using.


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8612 is a reply to message #163 ] Wed, 30 December 2009 02:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CADspan team member here, I would like to clarify a couple of things and provide some information that might be useful to those wishing to 3D print from Google SketchUp.

It sounds like some of you are having success with our plugin and others are not.
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I have tried numerous times, and the cadspan plugin never seems to work. A couple times I did receive what appeared to be a solid model according to meshlab and blender, but they never are accepted on upload.

Those of you who are getting solid models from the resurfacer according to Blender etc. but not Shapeways: we are working on a fix for this problem. Shapeways' STL check does not approve our resurfaced output in many cases, but we are working to correct the discrepancies. The resurfaced STL files are in fact printable. Look for a new release of the CADspan plugin in early 2010 that will make SketchUp -> Shapeways MUCH easier.
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The exporter sounds interesting but I sure won't be using their printing service: US$85 per HOUR with each project taking about a DAY to produce !! Give me a break!

Apologies for the confusion. We charge US$85/hr for FILE REPAIR work. This is for people who cannot get a printable STL file from their model and wish to hire professional help. On average it takes a day to repair a poorly drawn 3D model and prepare it for 3D printing - this is an average. We quote these jobs after seeing the file.

We ALSO offer 3D printing at competitive prices. I will not advertise here but see our website for more information.

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Well I just tried the CADspan plug-in for Sketchup and user beware; as far as I can tell you cannot export to .stl without using the Cadspan service.... correct me if I'm wrong and please detail the procedure you're using.

To use all of the CADspan tools, you must create a FREE user account. This allows us to provide you with support, among other things. Of course we do not share personal information, email addresses, etc. Once you create a CADspan user account, you can then log in to the resurfacer and have access to all of the CADspan tools. At any time a user can decide to purchase a Pro subscription (or not), which offers a richer feature set.

To learn more about CADspan please see http://www.cadspan.com/info - FAQ, Video Tutorials, User Guides, and much more information is available.

Thanks for the kind words to those of you who have had success, we appreciate your support! We welcome any and all inquiries and feedback via email: info <at> cadspan <dot> com.
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8683 is a reply to message #8524 ] Sat, 02 January 2010 20:23 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't know if the cadspan fellow answered your question or not, but the process I used that worked for me:

Download the plugin (small file)
Install the plugin.
Open SketchUp and the "cadspan" toolbox was in my menu bar.
Clicked on the "resurfacer" tool and then followed the instructions to make a free account.
Once you have the resurfacer open you can have your file "shrink wrapped" to get an stl that has been corrected for printing or you can use the stl export button that has some warning that pops up.

I have used the resurfaced stl to make a print and the stl "triangle dump" to get an stl out . They both work depending on your input file and end goal.

Hope that helps. If not let me know I have played with it a bit and have had some great results. O, and to the 85/hour, my print was less than the (85/hour * build time) delivered so the pricing seems to be different for the 3d prints.
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #8733 is a reply to message #8683 ] Tue, 05 January 2010 01:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks 05willys. I left out the brief tutorial because I was hoping folks would check out our docs and info. Smile

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I have used the resurfaced stl to make a print and the stl "triangle dump" to get an stl out . They both work depending on your input file and end goal.


Glad to hear that the tools are working for you. You are exactly correct about input file and end goal.

Yes, our 3D printing prices are different than our file repair prices.

Thanks again!
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #9928 is a reply to message #163 ] Sat, 13 February 2010 21:12 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi all,

i'm new to all this and tried to make a basic model of a house. I used google sketchup together with the cadspan plugin to make the stl.

I'm having some problems though. I made my model on the right scale in sketchup (100x60x40 mm), but when I upload the processed stl file, I get a message from shapeways that my model is too small to be printed! 0.24 x 0.44 x 0.12 cm it says..

now, i've checked my dimensions in sketchup and they are correct, so i don't see what's wrong here.

does anyone have an idea what the problem is? i attached my sketchup file..

(btw i cant use accutrans to rescale because i am working on a mac computer..

Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #9946 is a reply to message #9928 ] Sun, 14 February 2010 19:24 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my experience the sketchup dimensions are wrong when you export with the cadspan tool. In the email you received form Shapeways it will say how wide you current model is, take that size and the size sketchup is giving you and you can work out the ratio to scale your model up by Smile
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #9988 is a reply to message #9946 ] Mon, 15 February 2010 22:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Guys,

check out this tutorial it describes howto use Sketch-up with Shapeways (even with color!).

Looks like success is guaranteed. Smile

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is there a way to re-scale a model in google sketchup?
Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #13105 is a reply to message #163 ] Sun, 23 May 2010 04:18 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(Bumping the thread)

I pretty much gave up using Sketchup for my 3D models until a recent retry. I was reminded of why I gave up; manifold issues, sometime Shapeways would accept the Collada file, sometimes not. I tried using Meshlab to correct the horribly messy models - even though they were of the most basic shapes.

Then I took a look at CADspan again and am now a convert. The previously unacceptable file was instantly printable.

What I want to say here, though, is the Sketchup-CADspan-STL process could be explained a bit better by CADspan. Anyone using it may not realise what they have to do.

Here, then, are the steps.
1) Create your model in Sketchup.
2) Open the CADspan plugin (that you previously installed) by clicking on the Resurfacer button NOT the export to STL button.
3) Once uploaded click on the Process button.
4) Once processed now click on Download STL button to retrieve a ZIP file containing your STL file.

In the forums are explanations about how to re-size your model if you haven't managed to keep the right size during all this.

Thanks CADspan... and to Shapeways: How about coming up with something like this because, I tell you, Sketchup and Shapeways just don't seem to be a good fit, in my opinion, with too many errors and frustrating attempts at correction.





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lensman, i use Sketchup since day one back in last October
when i first stumbled upon Shapeways by accident.

It took me some months to learn simple 3D modeling with it,
but the real change begun when i started adding RUBI scripts
to Sketchup.

These are community scripts which enhance the productivity by 1000-fold!

I too uploaded my first model with the Cadspan "process" ..
Well i'm glad to tell you that i ditch it long long ago when i found
a STL exporter (a free Rubi script for sketchup).


Here are links to all the coolest most productive scripts you'll
need in order to model with Sketchup and bring your creativity to
Shapeways in a smooth & quick way.

http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewforum.php?f=323

http://sketchuppluginreviews.com/

One of the free scripts can also check and repair manifold issues.
But now with the new fixing software at Shapeways, once you
export your model as a STL file , almost every time it will be
accepted for 3D printing.



Check out my models , they are ALL made using Sketchup Cool
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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #13124 is a reply to message #163 ] Mon, 24 May 2010 10:45 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Asher, thanks very much for your reply. I will most definately check these links out. I hate relying on a service that could disappear at any time.

Glenn


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #13134 is a reply to message #163 ] Mon, 24 May 2010 15:12 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Asher I have checked the sites you mentioned and have even searched the Internet to no avail. I was able to find only one plug-in that will allow export to STL and have yet to try it.

If you could give me the name of the plug-in or at least where you got it I can start searching with that info.

Glenn

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lensman wrote on Mon, 24 May 2010 15:12

Asher I have checked the sites you mentioned and have even searched the Internet to no avail. I was able to find only one plug-in that will allow export to STL and have yet to try it.

If you could give me the name of the plug-in or at least where you got it I can start searching with that info.

Glenn




Its called Manifold 2.2 for sketchup:

http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2010/02/plugin-manifold-22- for-sketchup.html

Try it out and let us know how it worked for you.


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Re: Google Sketchup possible [message #13144 is a reply to message #13143 ] Mon, 24 May 2010 20:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks. Will do.


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Okay... tested.

Not too happy with it. It seemed to work when it detected 501 errors (on what I consider to be a very basic model). It created a fixed model off to the side, in xray mode, with errors highlighted with text. What I wasn't positive on was whether or not this was a model I could now use; I believe it was supposed to be.

No matter what face style I chose it remained semi transparent.

I had to resize the model before saving as a DAE file for Shapeways. MUCH frustration here. The re-sizing had NO effect and kept uploading at the original size. I tried this MANY times.

Eventually, after exploding everything, it did save to a smaller size, but by this time I was sick of sending it to Shapeways; I exported it as a DWG file and imported into Rhino. It looked very odd still with some of the faces not looking like others. I re-sized it before exporting as a STL file. I then uploaded this to Shapeways and it was accepted. Still some of the the preview faces looked odd.

In short, this workflow is totally unnaceptable and I still will be using Cadspan to do a very simple file upload, process then download. I just have to hope that they don't stop providing the service anytime soon.




Glenn ------ My Website Third Dimension Jewellery

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