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Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77033] Fri, 18 October 2013 20:36 UTC Go to next message
avatar DesignbyDalton  is currently offline DesignbyDalton
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So I'm a little disappointed with the versatility of the upload section, the going work around for having multiple sizes is to upload different models and use HTML in the description to have hyperlinks bouncing customers to the size they want. Well that's just plain not gonna work for me if my store front is gonna have the same damn model covering the entire page. When I see repeats in a store I'm thinkin get me out of this hokie place.

So...

What I want is a drop down menu with variations of the model that differ in size. (just like ebay has) That way when they are on the page that is my earring they don't have to leave the page to change the size from say 2g to 00g and I don't have 15 of the same model cluttering my shop. Besides the cluttering I have to type in all of the keywords over and over until they are all fairly find able.

But...

I could settle for another work around. Can I just hide them all (the alternate size choices) from my shop except for one that has the hyperlinks to all the diff sizes? To be clear, one earring picture/model they will see in my shop front but I have 10 other sizes that aren't visible untill you click into them from the "proxy". Does any one have a good way of doing this? If not, please shapeway's help out your jewelers, i'm sure im not the only one struggling with size variation uploading.


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77057 is a reply to message #77033 ] Sat, 19 October 2013 07:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This might be of use to you - Product Variants Mods

I don't know why SW hides these things away, but there you are.

The idea is you have all the variants enabled to buy but not to display except one which you put the links to the others on.

Or you could go the co-creator route...

Good luck!
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77121 is a reply to message #77057 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 10:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not sure why that page is hidden Embarassed

But I remember someone to talk about a solution to the multiple sizes issue.
Lemme follow up on this next week


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77122 is a reply to message #77121 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 11:09 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I say hidden, I mean it is not easy to find - I know it is there and still I had to go to every drop down on the Make + Sell page to find it.

For information it is 'hiding' behind the anonymous little down arrow between Forums and Blog.

In case it's not obvious, I'm still not a fan of the new layout.

While we're at it, where is the direct link to the Material Status page?
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77126 is a reply to message #77122 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 11:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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https://www.shapeways.com/materials -> Material Status Page


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77131 is a reply to message #77126 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 13:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MitchellJetten wrote on Sun, 20 October 2013 11:43

https://www.shapeways.com/materials -> Material Status Page


Lol, yes I know that, I put it in my post - but where on the SW web page is the link to it? It's another resource that is not evident.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77132 is a reply to message #77057 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 13:39 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This might be of use to you - Product Variants Mods

I don't know why SW hides these things away, but there you are.

The idea is you have all the variants enabled to buy but not to display except one which you put the links to the others on.


The problem with this, as delivered, is that it doesn't SHOW the other option, it adds it directly to the shopping cart! That's a bit pushy, isn't it?

My solution Is to just put links to the different items in my text descriptions. See here and scroll down for an example: TrackToolz Set - N Gauge 1:160

Here's an sample of the code I used. Replace the URLs and text as appropriate for your shop.

<br>
<hr>
<h4>Tool Sets:</h4>
<a href="http://shpws.me/p5iM">Z Gauge TrackToolz</a> 
<br><a href="http://shpws.me/pg09">N Gauge TrackToolz</a> 
<br><a href="http://shpws.me/p5iS">HO Gauge TrackToolz</a> 
<br><a href="http://shpws.me/p5kl">S Gauge TrackToolz</a> 



<br>
<hr>
<h4>YOUR GROUP TITLE</h4>
<a href="YOUR PERMALINK URL">YOUR ITEM NAME</a> 

[Updated on: Sun, 20 October 2013 13:46 UTC]

Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77134 is a reply to message #77132 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 14:05 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Firstly, I was just pointing out what was available not necessarily endorsing it. I have not, after all used it ...

Secondly, I take your point it is making some assumptions.

But if you go down the (entirely reasonable) route of taking the customer to the actual model page for the option they have chosen this has the downside that each Model page must be fully maintained. Which, once again, is quite reasonable until you try to use the SW pages to do so at which point setting up 7 or 8 all but identical pages (text, tags, materials, prices) and hoping you never have to change something ... who can be bothered?

I have a design for a ring that I have not published for just this reason.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77135 is a reply to message #77126 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 14:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MitchellJetten wrote on Sun, 20 October 2013 11:43

https://www.shapeways.com/materials -> Material Status Page

While we're off topic.. <grin>

The Material Status page refers to "days of lead time".
When this page was first created, it included a column that showed you in one concise format what the lead time was for each and every material.
With recent site changes, that column was dropped, and now only indicates if something is late.

May I suggest that the "Lead Time" column be brought back? It's a bit of a pain to have to search thru every individual material page to find it.

<back to original topic>

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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77136 is a reply to message #77135 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 14:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While we're off topic.. <grin>


Oh, we're not supposed to ramble off into the undergrowth?

In my mind (this is my excuse) since the original post was I felt showing an inadequacy in the web page navigation I would just add some more fuel on the fire.

I also wonder whether the Material Status page will go the way of the Parts Database - first no obvious links, functionality starts to be chopped off (e.g. Lead Times), finally 'we don not maintain that any more, it's dead'
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77137 is a reply to message #77134 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 15:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Which, once again, is quite reasonable until you try to use the SW pages to do so at which point setting up 7 or 8 all but identical pages (text, tags, materials, prices) and hoping you never have to change something ... who can be bothered?


The amount of time you spend maintaining a SW shop pales into insignificance compared to the time you would spend in a brick and mortar store maintaining the place. Fronting stock, dusting the shelves, checking in shipments, working in new product, marking down old product, rotating stock, updating signage, setting up displays, cleaning the counters, programming the register... the list goes on and on. It's part of the cost of doing business, and there is no magic solution.

Yes, SW could make it a little easier - but it still has to be done, and you have to do it. If you "can't be bothered", well, you're only hurting yourself.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77138 is a reply to message #77136 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 15:13 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AmLachDesigns wrote on Sun, 20 October 2013 14:30

Oh, we're not supposed to ramble off into the undergrowth?

Not at all.. I was truly just being tongue-in-cheek that the Material Status was not about Product Variants (the original post).

One small comment: At the top of https://www.shapeways.com/labs it does rather plainly say "Experimental".

[quote title=TrainThingz wrote on Sun, 20 October 2013 13:39]
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... it adds it directly to the shopping cart!


The following is a note to the (future) designers of a proper Product Variant function: There is a gap in understanding here. I have recently had this same conversation with a person who is creating something like ShapeJS.

When a jeweler offers a ring for $100, they (commonly) mean "pick your size - all for the same price". They can do this because the net volume of material between various ring sizes is small enough that they can average the price across all sizes and not significantly affect their markup.

However, we Model Train Aficionados deal with significant differences in price between the variants. To go from N scale at 1:160 to HO scale at 1:87 requires SIX TIMES the volume of material (for the identical geometry). There's no getting around the fact that different Train Scales will require different price points.

It would make sense to have both options as choices for the shopowner.

My own frustration comes from the fact that I'd like to have completely separate shops between HO, N, Z - even to the point of possibly having separate accounts here at Shapeways. For my customers, the scale of the model matters first. I effected some of this in my shop description, but it's rather klutzy, and "average" shop owners might not be able to pull off creating that bit of html code.
<end of note to the future>


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77139 is a reply to message #77136 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 15:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AmLachDesigns wrote on Sun, 20 October 2013 14:30


I also wonder whether the Material Status page will go the way of the Parts Database - first no obvious links, functionality starts to be chopped off (e.g. Lead Times), finally 'we don not maintain that any more, it's dead'


If I may hop in from the undergrowth for a moment, how much more obvious than "Status" on the Materials menu do you want that link to be ?
(Though I suspect this was a recent change, I believe the link was originally only in the text paragraph at the top of the materials overview page)
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77142 is a reply to message #77139 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 16:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, mkroeker, the voice of reason, you are right. mea culpa. I hope you are right that it is a recent change because I really thought I had already looked at this tab the other day. That or I am senile.... or both
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77143 is a reply to message #77138 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 16:45 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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However, we Model Train Aficionados deal with significant differences in price between the variants. To go from N scale at 1:160 to HO scale at 1:87 requires SIX TIMES the volume of material (for the identical geometry). There's no getting around the fact that different Train Scales will require different price points.


I think you mean EIGHT times.... it's 2*2*2, not 2+2+2

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It would make sense to have both options as choices for the shopowner.

My own frustration comes from the fact that I'd like to have completely separate shops between HO, N, Z - even to the point of possibly having separate accounts here at Shapeways. For my customers, the scale of the model matters first. I effected some of this in my shop description, but it's rather klutzy, and "average" shop owners might not be able to pull off creating that bit of html code.


Well, you can get around some of this with categories... one for each scale... but it would be REALLY nice to have SUB-categories available, too... and even better if the filters you can use when trying to organize the shop were sticky, so you didn't have to reselect them every time you edited an item. You can get around THAT particular issue by opening an item to edit in a new tab or window, but it's still a pain to have to remember to do that.

I don't think the shop end of Shapeways was really designed with the idea in mind that it might be possible that people would eventually have 50-100 or more individual models, each in several substantially different sizes.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77149 is a reply to message #77138 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 21:15 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My own frustration comes from the fact that I'd like to have completely separate shops between HO, N, Z - even to the point of possibly having separate accounts here at Shapeways.


I agree as I posited here.

At the moment I have several distinct kinds of Model as well as ones that are just for display: it makes no sense to try and have one shop for them all.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77150 is a reply to message #77137 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 21:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The amount of time you spend maintaining a SW shop pales into insignificance compared to the time you would spend in a brick and mortar store maintaining the place. Fronting stock, dusting the shelves, checking in shipments, working in new product, marking down old product, rotating stock, updating signage, setting up displays, cleaning the counters, programming the register... the list goes on and on. It's part of the cost of doing business, and there is no magic solution.

Yes, SW could make it a little easier - but it still has to be done, and you have to do it. If you "can't be bothered", well, you're only hurting yourself.


I do not have a physical store and never will so the tasks you list are irrelevant. These virtual stores we have are on computers and to set them up manually in the way you seem happy to is really rather tedious when it could be more automated.

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Yes, SW could make it a little easier - but it still has to be done, and you have to do it. If you "can't be bothered", well, you're only hurting yourself.
It does not have to be done at all. And while I may be 'hurting' myself and the adoring public clamouring for my Models, it might also be that SW is incurring an opportunity cost by not making the setting up and potential sales of Models easier.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77154 is a reply to message #77143 ] Sun, 20 October 2013 21:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TrainThingz wrote on Sun, 20 October 2013 16:45

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To go from N scale at 1:160 to HO scale at 1:87 requires SIX TIMES the volume of material.


I think you mean EIGHT times.... it's 2*2*2, not 2+2+2



No, I was being a bit more precise... I did mean six times...
160 / 87.1 = 1.837
1.837 * 1.837 * 1.837 = 6.199

<GRIN>


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77167 is a reply to message #77154 ] Mon, 21 October 2013 02:20 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok so...

I've gone and made 4 model pages with 4 earring sizes, they are different volumes so the cost of each model is different out of necessity. I've got them all linked together with HTML in the description. The last problem I am facing is the fact that when some one drops into my shop they will see the sam model repeated 4 times. It looks awkward and messy like that. Can I hide all of the extra sizes from public view in my shop and allow access to them through the links in just 1 visible design? If so how? I'm just a little confused still. Thanks for the help.


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77170 is a reply to message #77167 ] Mon, 21 October 2013 06:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Each Model must be 'Offer for sale to others' = check, with all the Materials, Prices and Category set up. The Models you don't want to see in the Shop you make sure that the 'Display to the Public' box = unchecked.

To test start, log out of SW (or start up a different browser and do not sign in to SW) - you will then be able to see what customers see, follow the links etc.
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77187 is a reply to message #77170 ] Mon, 21 October 2013 13:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the quick reply, I have tried exactly what you are saying but It seems I cant view them when I use my mobile device to follow the links after I set them to not be public. I'm thinking maybe i'm not quite using the correct version of the URL. It works fin when they are set to public just not when pub is turned off. Got any ideas?

For clarity... the first link, 2g earring is visible to public. The rest of the sizes, 4g 0g and 00g are hidden from pub. The URLs below are what I used.
https://www.shapeways.com/model/1000557/abstraction-of-life- 2g-pair.html
https://www.shapeways.com/model/1426469/abstraction-of-life- 4g-pair.html

[Updated on: Mon, 21 October 2013 13:46 UTC]


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77193 is a reply to message #77187 ] Mon, 21 October 2013 13:52 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Np.

I have never tried with a mobile device but I cannot see why it should not work. Perhaps try again when you have access to a pc?

The technique of making the model available for sale but not visible to the public is used by many designers of custom pieces to allow their clients to see the models without it appearing in the Shop.

The url I use is the SW Permalink available on the Model page just under the picture (e.g. http://shpws.me/mLaJ) or I believe you can use the url from the Model page. You don't need all of it, just as far as the number, I think (e.g. for same model https://www.shapeways.com/model/758111).

If all else fails, contact service@shapeways.com and hopefully they will sort you out.

Good luck!
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77194 is a reply to message #77193 ] Mon, 21 October 2013 13:56 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just saw your updates.

And you are sure that the 4g ones, for example are set up as available to buy?
Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #77232 is a reply to message #77194 ] Mon, 21 October 2013 17:35 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That was the problem, using the permalink instead of the URL from up top works just fine. Thank you for helping me get that resolved. My shop will look much cleaner in the days to come.


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Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #79909 is a reply to message #77033 ] Tue, 26 November 2013 19:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just mentioned this in the bug thread but I don't have a clue if it's a bug or there's a work around to the issue.

I inserted code from the variant tool into a fishing lure model description. In this case I'm using it to have the option of selling two lures because I don't need the clutter of the same duplicated item in the store. It would appear that only the default material is available for purchase unless you purchase from the model page, which of course is now hidden. And I can't figure out how to change a material option once it's in the cart.

Any one else have this problem? Maybe the best way to go is to use an html link to the other hidden page.

Here's a link to the single lure:

http://shpws.me/p8TW

[Updated on: Tue, 26 November 2013 19:25 UTC]

Re: Multiple sizes of earrings are cluttering my shop. [message #80509 is a reply to message #79909 ] Wed, 04 December 2013 16:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What I do with rings is have only Size 13 'Visible to Public', and all the rest are available for sale but privately viewable. Then I crosslink all the sizes. Example: http://shpws.me/oqoS
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PeregrineStudios wrote on Wed, 04 December 2013 16:33

What I do with rings is have only Size 13 'Visible to Public', and all the rest are available for sale but privately viewable. Then I crosslink all the sizes. Example: http://shpws.me/oqoS



I think that's the best way to do it now, but it requires much duplication which is what I was trying to avoid! Any changes in the model description or links and BAMMO! you're stuck in a cut-and paste fest to modify all of the cross-linked files.

In some of my more popular single fishing lure files I added a link to the double lure model version which is available for sale but 'privately' viewable, but I didn't cross link back to the single lure model (under the assumption no one starts with the privately viewable file).
For example: http://shpws.me/p8TW
I also included the variant buttons in the single lure public model so you can add either of the lure model files to the cart but again only in the default material option. That's where it would be nice if a drop down menu would pop up after the variant button to select a different material option. OR it would be nice to change the material in the cart like you could do in the past. I won't hold my breath on either of those...

Anyway, I think that in concept the variant button is a good idea but as presently implemented it's only good for objects that can practically have only a few different model files for different variations, such as perhaps size and color. For example I have four BMO files in two different sizes and two different body colors. Since all are primarily meant for only FCS it would make sense to use only 3 or 4 variant buttons in one of the BMO model files. And then only include a model page link to another model if someone wanted to purchase a different size in a different material they wanted to paint on their own.

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