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FUDtastic [message #27665] Tue, 17 May 2011 11:12 UTC Go to next message
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Euro 4 in 1 Micro Maille
As printed, this sampler patch has 0.3mm 'wire' rings with internal diameter of 1.5mm. The rings have 0.1mm spacing - I have been informed that some fo the rings have less than 0.3mm wall thickness and that I need to adjust things slighlty.

http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/micro-maille-scale-sml.jpg
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http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/micro-maille-on-cd-sml.jpg
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3 strand Mobius in FUD
My 3 strand Mobius (forum image) formed by the wax support material filling hollow space inside a block of FUD

http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/3strand-mobius-in-FUD-sml.jpg
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Tiny Kraken in crystal
A tiny squid formed by the wax filling the hollow space within a block of FUD.

http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/tiny-kraken-in-crystal-sml.jpg
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I'll be polishing the surfaces fo the above two models.

3x3x3 Twisty Puzzle (aka Rubiks Cube)
My first attempt at making the worlds smallest working Rubiks Cube - aticipating failure, I ordered 9 of the wee beasties to analyze the failures.

http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/lotsa-3x3x3-cubes-sml.jpg
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First failure - mostly all of the parts were freed after soaking out the wax support material in hot water. Two of the edge pieces had fused to center pieces and three of the centers had fused to the central spider spindles. It was one of the central spindles that broke leading to this failure.
http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/exploded-3x3x3-cube-sml.jpg
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A close up of the central spider spindles.
http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/FUDtastic/images/exploded-3x3x3-cube-spider-sml.jpg
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On with the funFUD!

Re: FUDtastic [message #27668 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 11:53 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cool idea of using the wax like that


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Re: FUDtastic [message #27669 is a reply to message #27668 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 12:17 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Smile
Now if only I can get the wax out of the little cubes & make them work.

Re: FUDtastic [message #27674 is a reply to message #27669 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 12:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are so crazy for making that tiny chainmail! Crazy! Like a fox! Very Happy FUD really rocks. Just wow, and of course Shapeways for implementing it so fantastically and afford-ably!
Re: FUDtastic [message #27678 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 12:54 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it supposed to be missing the one ring?


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Re: FUDtastic [message #27681 is a reply to message #27678 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 13:51 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The trapped wax looks very neat! I wouldn't have thought to use it that way.

Your models seem to have come out quite well. I guess the complexity of the outer surface may be a factor in how well the wax comes off.
Re: FUDtastic [message #27682 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 14:01 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very nice work, amazing detail.

Maybe a mild solvent like mineral spirits could dissolve the wax without affecting the acrylic.

Edit: I just checked on this and mineral spirits will dissolve paraffin and has less effect on acrylic plastic. Your parts have so much surface area though, it may be better to try (warm)alcohol. That won't dissolve wax as easily but stands less of a chance of softening the parts.

[Updated on: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:11 UTC]


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Re: FUDtastic [message #27685 is a reply to message #27678 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 14:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Youknowwho4eva wrote on Tue, 17 May 2011 12:54

Is it supposed to be missing the one ring?


No, I think it was the one ring that was maybe too thin, even though all the rings are C&Pd.

@aeron203, I have some white spirit (aka mineral sprit) here somewhere... it's worth sacrificing a little cube just to find out Twisted Evil



Thanks everyone for your good words Smile


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Re: FUDtastic [message #27690 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 16:06 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That wax effect opens up lots of ideas - well done !




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Re: FUDtastic [message #27691 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 17 May 2011 16:40 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Absolutely agree with Dizingof.

This "Tiny Kraken in crystal
A tiny squid formed by the wax filling the hollow space within a block of FUD." absolutely gives me an answer to something I have been playing with in my head and not being able to come up with a workable solution. Now I do!

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Re: FUDtastic [message #30089 is a reply to message #27691 ] Sat, 02 July 2011 04:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cool stuff, stop4stuff!

I agree, the trapped wax is a nice effect. I recently reordered a set of dice I originally designed for Transparent Detail a year ago. I was disappointed with the resolution of Transparent Detail and scrapped the idea until FD and FUD came along. I tweaked the design and ordered a set in both FD and FUD yesterday. I saw this thread today and realized I might have been better off without escape holes for the wax. Ah well, the design may require another tweak.

And I agree with you, Dizingof, this does open up a lot of possibilities

Re: FUDtastic [message #30091 is a reply to message #30089 ] Sat, 02 July 2011 05:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For dice check these out:

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/propmodule?section=Dice+Set%5 BCrystal%5D


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Re: FUDtastic [message #33566 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 30 August 2011 15:50 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can you post pics of the parts above after you polished the exterior? I'm interested in trying to use this process to model an exploded view of an engine. Not sure if I can get the detail I would need though.
Re: FUDtastic [message #33678 is a reply to message #33566 ] Fri, 02 September 2011 06:58 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here you go sithlorderic;

http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/images/3-strand-mobius-within-polished.jpg

http://www.stop4stuff.com/shapeways/images/kraken-within-fud.jpg

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Re: FUDtastic [message #33753 is a reply to message #33678 ] Sun, 04 September 2011 03:14 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very nice work, Paul: lots of possibilities there!

Am wondering if a coating of Future acrylic floor polish would make those items truly transparent... might be worth a try.

Cheers,
John

Re: FUDtastic [message #33820 is a reply to message #27665 ] Tue, 06 September 2011 02:26 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amazing work!

I love the trapped wax, definitely gave me some ideas
Re: FUDtastic [message #55675 is a reply to message #33820 ] Fri, 19 October 2012 20:05 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So I suppose this is no longer possible now that Shapeways removes all interior geometry?
Re: FUDtastic [message #55762 is a reply to message #27665 ] Mon, 22 October 2012 14:28 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I'm not mistaken, these were printed after the software update, You just have to have a hole that is too small for the material to escape.


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Re: FUDtastic [message #55768 is a reply to message #55762 ] Mon, 22 October 2012 14:42 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, interesting. Thanks for the info.
Re: FUDtastic [message #56149 is a reply to message #55768 ] Mon, 29 October 2012 11:10 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, you need a very small hole (sub 0.1mm) and then some patience with Customer Services when the model gets rejected (as it will for not having a big enough escape hole) - my usual is to quote the Desgin guidelines If your escape holes (i.e., holes in hollow parts) are not big enough, there may be support wax that still remains inside when we finish producing your product. This gives your piece a frosted look, which might look cool, but might also not meet your design intentions. - and explain the model does look cool and the trapped wax is part of the design intention as a feature of the model.

On another note, as yet, I've not had an issue with the wax leaking out over time as suggested on the material page.

Paul



Re: FUDtastic [message #56171 is a reply to message #56149 ] Mon, 29 October 2012 15:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Paul sorry if I missed it earlier in the post, but how did you polish the FUD?


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Re: FUDtastic [message #56173 is a reply to message #56149 ] Mon, 29 October 2012 15:56 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stop4stuff wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 11:10

Yep, you need a very small hole (sub 0.1mm) and then some patience with Customer Services when the model gets rejected (as it will for not having a big enough escape hole) - my usual is to quote the Desgin guidelines If your escape holes (i.e., holes in hollow parts) are not big enough, there may be support wax that still remains inside when we finish producing your product. This gives your piece a frosted look, which might look cool, but might also not meet your design intentions. - and explain the model does look cool and the trapped wax is part of the design intention as a feature of the model.

On another note, as yet, I've not had an issue with the wax leaking out over time as suggested on the material page.

Paul



I wonder if it would help with customer service to add (trapped wax) into the model name.

[Updated on: Mon, 29 October 2012 15:56 UTC]

Re: FUDtastic [message #56182 is a reply to message #56171 ] Mon, 29 October 2012 19:13 UTC Go to previous message
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denali3ddesign wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 15:22

Hey Paul sorry if I missed it earlier in the post, but how did you polish the FUD?


I started out with a fine grit wet & dry paper (800 iirc) followed by a finer grit and then used some car paint cutting paste (Turtle Wax Safe Cut) with a buffing wheel on my dremel type rotary tool - the buffing stage is the most delicate, if too much pressure is applied the buffing wheel can create enough heat to ruin the surface and then its back to the paper.

Paul




 
   
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