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copyright infringement [message #46592] Fri, 06 April 2012 17:09 UTC Go to next message
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hey

just wondering if it theres any copyright issues when using knex connections as part of a model.

i mean the model is useless without owning some original knex kit.....so in a way it would be aiding their sales rather hindering.

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Re: copyright infringement [message #46594 is a reply to message #46592 ] Fri, 06 April 2012 17:17 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This article may be of interest:

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120319/13 291118161/free-3d-printable-kit-to-connect-different-toy-con struction-sets-released-partially-blocked-due-to-patents.sht ml
Re: copyright infringement [message #46596 is a reply to message #46592 ] Fri, 06 April 2012 17:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheers mate......

seems to concentrate on inter-company law

but the patents bit was very helpful, am i right in thinking that knex doesnt have patent protection then?

i plan to modify the aesthetics the the connection method with obviously be similar


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Re: copyright infringement [message #46597 is a reply to message #46596 ] Fri, 06 April 2012 18:21 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not sure what is actually covered, but it appears that K'NEX does indeed hold a number of patents, like this one: http://www.google.com/patents?id=-xu_AAAAEBAJ&zoom=4& ;dq=KNEX&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false

I know in the past LEGO has been fairly aggressive in enforcing their IP rights, but I don't know how K'NEX tends to handle such matters.

The interesting thing I saw in the previous article was that the kit probably was in the clear only because it was offered free-of-charge. Adding sales into the mix may become complicated. In any case, good luck.
Re: copyright infringement [message #46610 is a reply to message #46592 ] Fri, 06 April 2012 23:23 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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my thinking exactly. i have already started the model....so would be a shame to not finish it.
ill upload it but i doubt it would will up for sale.......might be a nice one for thiniverse or something

thanks for digging that patent up.....when i have a bit more time ill give it a proper read.......doubt ill understand much

really good help. thanks


strangely enough the knex set i bought today has some very similar pieces to Lego......ill find some old bricks n see how closes they fit ........ at least it will show how different a block has to be to avoid infringement

[Updated on: Fri, 06 April 2012 23:25 UTC]


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Re: copyright infringement [message #46624 is a reply to message #46610 ] Sat, 07 April 2012 09:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The LEGO Group has quite transparent rules about the useage of their various IP & trademark rights; see -
Fair Play - but K'Nex does not have any info on its website. Any how, I've emailed K'Nex, and if their autoresponder is correct, I should hear something back in the next couple of days.

As it happens, I'm compling a list of popular brands and links to their respective IP useage rules. I'll start a different thread on that when K'Nex get back to me.

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Re: copyright infringement [message #46627 is a reply to message #46592 ] Sat, 07 April 2012 10:35 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nice one .. i look forward to reading it.
thanks for the link. to be honest iv only read a bit.... this got my attention:

'Each year, our legal department handles hundreds of incidents involving infringement of our rights, keeps track of developments worldwide and regularly brings infringers to court, making sure that consumers can have confidence that anything bearing the LEGO Group's trademarks or characteristic product features is a LEGO brand product'

i have read a bit more now.......the level of infringement seems to heavily swing on whether its commercial of non commercial use.


thanks again....very interesting reading

ill keep an eye out for the new thread

regards


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Re: copyright infringement [message #46677 is a reply to message #46592 ] Mon, 09 April 2012 13:02 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is this for the iPhone case you were talking about? As long as your not making a competing product, and you clearly stat that it's not made by K'nex, you should be ok.


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Re: copyright infringement [message #46688 is a reply to message #46592 ] Mon, 09 April 2012 15:08 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you are correct sir!

thanks for that

thought this was interesting:

knex is using lego connectors

index.php?t=getfile&id=16000&private=0


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Re: copyright infringement [message #46690 is a reply to message #46688 ] Mon, 09 April 2012 15:52 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lego-like is not LEGO Wink

The difference being that LEGO 2x4 bricks have squared corners, have the LEGO logo on the studs, are made of ABS plastic and the only 2x4 bricks to have holes vertically through the middle were 3709a and 3709c. Both parts also have holes through the sides & ends, 3709c is not inventoried in any set, and 3709a comes from numerous sets of the 1970's.

As for K'Nex (the company) and my question;
"Please can you point me in the right direction for legal stuff about Knex. In particular, I'm interested in Useage of the name K'Nex and items designed to be compatible with orginal K'Nex parts."

So far their answer is;
"Please provide us with more detailed information about what you are requesting so we can appropriately answer your questions. Would you like to use the name and if so in what way? What do you mean by "items designed to be compatible with original K\'Nex parts"? Etc"
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Re: copyright infringement [message #46697 is a reply to message #46592 ] Mon, 09 April 2012 17:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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its amazing how little changes in the design (even if the idea is fundamentally the same) make it an entirely different product.

i see why IP rights interest you.

so have you written back?
if not could you send the email where i can carry this on.


i just uploaded the first model of the case here
http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=4669 8&#msg_46698

[Updated on: Mon, 09 April 2012 18:13 UTC]


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Re: copyright infringement [message #46700 is a reply to message #46697 ] Mon, 09 April 2012 18:23 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My biggest interest is looking after #1, I don't want to get hit with a law suit for IP infringement so I do my homework, but at the same time I'll willingly share info so that less diligent people won't get into sticky situations too. LEGO just happens to be a product I'm passionate about which comes from playing with and collecting the stuff for, erm, 40 years.

Different territories have different rules about IP and different ways of registering a design, a product or even just an idea Confused. IP is one of those big minefields, but with this day and age of t'internet, a map or partial maps of the minefield are readily available, it just depends how bothered one is about stepping on a mine as to how much of the map one finds. Better to go in eyes wide open than blindfolded.

I've already emailed K'Nex back with examples of what I'm asking for again, maybe they'll get the Q this time.

Paul

[edit] typos Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Mon, 09 April 2012 18:24 UTC]

Re: copyright infringement [message #46735 is a reply to message #46592 ] Tue, 10 April 2012 16:07 UTC Go to previous message
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i completely agree ..... hence the post of the topic. its great that shapeways has members like you.....very valuable for the community as a whole.
Especially if or when the ip rights situation explodes

thanks again for helping out.... it would be great if shapeways could write a basic 'no-no's' for infringement so that everyone can refer to it?

would it even be possible with all the rules and regulations differing between countries and companies?

i know your posting the links ......but im sure people would benefit from a simplified market overviews......where not to tread and so on.

cheers for messaging knex

regards


EDIT : just seen this:
http://www.shapeways.com/model/532700

not only that but its very similar to this well established case:

http://www.smallworks.com/

and even more weird:

'after a bit of thought ..... lego seemed like a good option. yet after bouncing the idea off a friend...they told me it had already been done.....dam. would love to have thought of that on first
index.php?t=getfile&id=16022&private=0
so....now im thinking of one of the other brands like k'nex. im not familiar with it so might buy a little kit and see what come out the other end'

from my forum post:
http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=8769&a mp;start=0&

morphic field at work Smile

[Updated on: Tue, 10 April 2012 16:38 UTC]


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