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Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #31107] Mon, 18 July 2011 22:01 UTC Go to next message
avatar CristobalGordo  is currently offline CristobalGordo
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I'm really happy with my rack and pinion linear actuator.

You can see a video of it in action here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRZ9TLhD0i4

You can see how I packaged the pieces here-
http://www.shapeways.com/model/293549/randp.html?gid=ug (I'm having trouble uploading other pictures for some reason- it claims they aren't jpegs. Any suggestions on that?)

I was worried at first because the racks wouldn't fit in the holes at first but after some cleaning and cramming, the excess powder came out and everything fit like a glove. I designed it around a cheap Chinese stepper motor I bought on ebay and it fit just as designed.

I hope you like it and feel free to ask any questions.

Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #31131 is a reply to message #31107 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 12:55 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey this is great, Very nicely done.

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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #31134 is a reply to message #31107 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 15:29 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What are you going to use the actuator for?

Well done - i see you're good with electronics too - that puts you on my buddy list Wink


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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #31173 is a reply to message #31107 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 23:09 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for your comments.

Also thank you for the tip about the size of the photos- I shrunk them a bit and they uploaded fine. Now there are some still photos on the design page.

As to what it's for...linear actuators can be used for tons of things- they convert the precise rotational movement from a stepper motor to precise linear motion. One thing I'm going to try soon is to use three of them together to make a tripod plotter/robot/pick-and-place machine. I have other ideas and I'll post videos if they ever come to fruition.

Thanks again.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #32973 is a reply to message #31173 ] Fri, 19 August 2011 18:52 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good stuff, I've been looking around and not many people on SW are making functional components, It's seems mainly(understandably) art and asthetic parts. I'm interested in putting RP to "work" like this and it's encouraging to see efforts like yours.
Thanks for sharing that.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34242 is a reply to message #31107 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 16:51 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can the gear system be designed to accomplish exact 0.01mm steps/movement?

Also, did you try it with a load? - how did WSF work out for you with a load? (thou i see its thick , still it tends to bend no?)





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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34246 is a reply to message #34242 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 17:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Exact 0.01mm steps? That's asking alot- 0.01mm is pretty fine. As it is now, no. I designed in a little backlash so it would fit together well. I think the cheap motors have some backlash to them too. They are steppers but are geared as well. So between the motors and the design, this isn't terribly accurate but with some tweaking on the gears and a different motor I think you could get decent accuracy. If you had a motor with 200 steps per rotation and did eighth steps so you had 1600 steps per rotation and with a small gear (2cm diam) with a really tight fit maybe you could get 0.04mm but I'm not sure this would be the solution for that.
I was thinking you could attach a variable resistor to it to figure out it's position that way like a servo.

As far as strength goes- again I haven't done tests on it. The motor can't tolerate a ton of stress but WSF is pretty strong. For like, hobby robots or something I think this would be plenty strong. But it is plastic after all. Would you want a plastic rack and pinion in your application?

Do you have an application in mind? I can try to design something for you.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34249 is a reply to message #31107 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 17:38 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well as crazy as it may sound i want to explore a mini Z axis-only 3d printer with UV curable resin.
I have a different approach in mind - so far could not find ready-made mini linear actuators/sliders with a stepper that can move a plate on the Z axis with such precision of 0.01mm

Saw few youtube of some guys staring this kind of project , here is one:


http://projectguru.org/3dprinter-articles/3dprinter-blog






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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34251 is a reply to message #34249 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 17:51 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can get this accuracy by having a stepper turn a threaded rod. 32 threads per inch = 1/32 inches per rotation. If you have a stepper that has 200 steps per rotation,a nut on the rod moves 1/(32*200) inches per step which is 0.004mm per step if I'm not mistaken. Having a stepper turn a threaded rod to get linear motion is how many cnc type machines work.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34252 is a reply to message #34251 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 17:57 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's a video of a cnc machine working with threaded rods that shows what I tried to explain above. (I just picked the video at random- thanks to whoever posted it.)
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34253 is a reply to message #31107 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 17:59 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks , any idea where i can buy those parts?


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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34254 is a reply to message #34253 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 18:08 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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McMaster Carr has lots of parts like this. I would suggest you look at some CNC machine plans online. You only really need the z-axis but you can get an idea of what you need to do. You need a track that your tray slides on and a threaded rod and correponding nut (attached to the moving part) to drive it.

This is doable and would be a great project.

It doesn't seem like it would have to withstand too much stress. You could probably design most of it in WSF if you are good at CAD design and just mount the motors, nut, and threaded rod (and all the other stuff that can't be 3d printed.)
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34255 is a reply to message #31107 ] Wed, 14 September 2011 18:15 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep that's the idea Wink

Thanks !


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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34274 is a reply to message #34255 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 10:18 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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By the way, Instructables.com has a whole section devoted to CNC with tons of plans and designs for free.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34277 is a reply to message #31107 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 14:51 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I also found this great index page for all 3d printing parts
http://reprap.org/wiki/Mendel_Buyers_Guide#Electrical_and_me chanical_kits_and_parts


What type of arduino do you use and is it easy to write code to ?

I would need one with 2 output controls for 2 steppers and 1 on/off switch



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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34281 is a reply to message #34277 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 16:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LEGO NXT with some custom WSF gears would work for that Smile

Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34282 is a reply to message #34281 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 16:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stop4stuff wrote on Thu, 15 September 2011 16:33

LEGO NXT with some custom WSF gears would work for that Smile




prove it Smile


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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34284 is a reply to message #34282 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:23 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dizingof wrote on Thu, 15 September 2011 16:44

stop4stuff wrote on Thu, 15 September 2011 16:33

LEGO NXT with some custom WSF gears would work for that Smile




prove it Smile


Sorry mate, can't do that just now, on a different mission and all that but here's some brain food http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YZeX8ti7Io


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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34285 is a reply to message #34284 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:27 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I knew it was only a matter of time before this know-it-all chimed in.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34286 is a reply to message #34285 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CristobalGordo wrote on Thu, 15 September 2011 17:27

I knew it was only a matter of time before this know-it-all chimed in.


Is that underhand comment directed at me?

Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34287 is a reply to message #34277 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Driving two stepper motors with an arduino is definitely doable but is kind of involved- too much to explain here. I'd look at some examples on the arduino forums to start. Different motors require different setups etc but there are tons of tutorials online.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34288 is a reply to message #34286 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:34 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes definitely.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34289 is a reply to message #31107 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:46 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Let's keep this productive discussion civil please.


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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34290 is a reply to message #34289 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 17:50 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Youknowwho4eva wrote on Thu, 15 September 2011 17:46

Let's keep this productive discussion civil please.


fine with me Rolling Eyes


more brain food to do with LEGO gearing - a bit off topic, but demonstrates what can be done (by me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShuKDU_FG-4
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34293 is a reply to message #31107 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 18:16 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, lots of reading on my to-do list ... or.. the next best option is to outsource my requirements...
I've used freelance coders websites successfully in the past - i wonder if i could find freelance makers websites (sorry stop4stuff no Lego stuff i require 50 micron precision Smile )


I wonder, is a belt drive has better & precise movement then a threaded rod ?

I'll crack open an HP printer and see how the linear slider , belt and stepper work








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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34294 is a reply to message #34293 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 18:31 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No worries Dizingof, though LEGO is an easy and cheap way of bashing out prototypes expecially with the three stepper motors in the NXT kit... best I've got with a native LEGO double worm gear setup is 0.38mm steps per 360 degree revolution, but the gear slop is a bit bad. (that setup was built into a diamagnetic levitation rig capable of floating 10mm cube magnets)

Have fun with your printer steppers and if they don't work out, slap a set of blades on them and turn them into wind generators.



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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34295 is a reply to message #34293 ] Thu, 15 September 2011 18:37 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would think a threaded rod would be better for you than a belt driven system. I think (not certain) that belts are used to speed things up but in your case I don't think speed will be an issue- you need to move 0.01mm then, pause, then move 0.01mm then pause etc correct? Check out some cnc designs on instructables- you only really care about the z-axis, they are usually pretty in depth, and some may even go into the software to drive the motors.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34590 is a reply to message #31107 ] Mon, 19 September 2011 16:06 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think this is the stuff i was looking for - parts from a CD-ROM..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqNyUIJKM5g&feature=relat ed

- a VERY precise threaded rod , a stepper motor (steps must be extremely precise - to move the laser eye on a CD.. in micro increments) + 2 small shaft rods easily unscrewed and screwed back to any other design







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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34592 is a reply to message #34590 ] Mon, 19 September 2011 16:21 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I used two of those to make a little laser cutter (it cut black paper only) which you can see here

(Ok so now I'm the know-it-all guilty as charged)

Cons for you- small range of motion maybe too small for you,
maybe too weak to lift what you need to lift but maybe not

Pros- easily available, maybe good place to start, probably lots of good instructions online to teach you how to use it. I used EasyDriver stepper drivers driven by an arduino. Check out Sparkfun for those. There are probably other ways to do it including using their built in drivers but I don't know about that.
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34594 is a reply to message #31107 ] Mon, 19 September 2011 16:30 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nice.... well if it can pull your laser with all its weight and wires i guess it can easily pull thin layers of polymer.

I am looking to design a small unit, so it should be a good start.



(i can see you know your stuff! Smile http://www.flickr.com/photos/87592791@N00/401251067/in/photo stream/ , how many cnc versions you've made so far?)

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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34608 is a reply to message #34594 ] Mon, 19 September 2011 19:50 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've made a few cnc type machines over the years. I don't know about "know my stuff" but I can say that I'm proof that you can start from next to zero electronics-wise and learn what you need to know just from tutorials/videos/forum posts. If I can do it you can do it. If arduino is your thing search "driving stepper motors with arduino" or something along those lines and you'll find tutorials that are better than I could explain.

In looking at your (very cool) mathematical sculptures, it seems like most of them would be well suited to this UV cured plastic technique- being connected. You can't have layers with "islands" in that technique but seems like your wouldn't (if I'm understanding the technique and your sculptures correctly.)
Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34614 is a reply to message #31107 ] Mon, 19 September 2011 20:38 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I absolutely agree - i too have learned a lot by using Google over the years.

Same goes for electronics , here is one of the projects i've made using shapeways Wink
http://www.shapeways.com/model/238538/ac_keychain_charger_fo r_iphone.html?gid=ug



I already bookmarked some arduino and stepper driver tutorials as well as buy-links , unfortunately sprakfun terminated the EasyStepper 4 & the nema 17 stepper

- still, i need to search for a "jack-in-the-box" kind of arduino-stepper combo unit - i realy dont have time to mess with bread board ...

To your question , the software is a key factor here - the software would need to add supporting columns to the model - then you can remove them easily by snapping them off (see end of video below)



In 2 months time (hopefully) this cool guy will release his hi-res 3d printer to the public as an open source - he claims the price for a kit or fully assembled unit will be affordable - i will definitely back his kickstarter


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPmP0u1HuUM












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Re: Rack and Pinion Linear Actuator [message #34903 is a reply to message #31107 ] Thu, 22 September 2011 18:48 UTC Go to previous message
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Just a first "sketch" - i like it Wink

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