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Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #30631] Mon, 11 July 2011 16:36 UTC Go to next message
avatar kleaverjr  is currently offline kleaverjr
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Greetings!

Before I begin investing great amounts of time into such a venture, I would like to ask those who have used this if what I would like to accomplish will work.

First some quick background. I am a model railroder who models in HO Scale. There is an existing (RARE) model of a New York Central 19000 Series Caboose that was made by a particular manufacturer in plastic. This kit is no longer avaialble, and has been very difficult to find on "the market" (like on ebay) I know because of copyright law, I can use that model as the "prototype" for recreating more of them. But I also have a blueprint copy of original blueprints of the 19000 caboose. So if I scan the blueprints into a CAD program, and use the exiting model as a reference guide, can Shapeways create a working HO Model because I need more of them!

Thanks for any feedback!

Ken L.
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Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #30634 is a reply to message #30631 ] Mon, 11 July 2011 17:41 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Ken,

Welcome to Shapeways!

Regarding your railroad model, if the original plastic kit is copyright/design right(ed) and the owner active, you may have issues IF you sell the model, you'd be ok if you were having it made for your own personal use though (and to be sure it might be worth doing some digging and asking someone in the legal field of copyright law)

As for scanning in 2D drawings to make a 3D model, yes that should be possible with the right software, but alas, I don't know which.

My method would be to scan in and convert to a 2D dxf file, then to arrange the various 2D files in a 3D program to create a shell of the model. My method would invlove a lot of manual work tidying things up.

Any other fellow Shapies have any input to help Ken out?

Paul

[Updated on: Mon, 11 July 2011 17:42 UTC]

Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #30644 is a reply to message #30634 ] Mon, 11 July 2011 19:44 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stop4stuff wrote on Mon, 11 July 2011 17:41

Hi Regarding your railroad model, if the original plastic kit is copyright/design right(ed) and the owner active, you may have issues IF you sell the model, you'd be ok if you were having it made for your own personal use though (and to be sure it might be worth doing some digging and asking someone in the legal field of copyright law)

All models are copies, as long as you don't make the same copy as someone else, you will likely be alright.
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My method would be to scan in and convert to a 2D dxf file, then to arrange the various 2D files in a 3D program to create a shell of the model. My method would invlove a lot of manual work tidying things up.

This doesn't really work, old drawing are usually not crisp enough to get clean scans from, you end up spending more time trying to clean the dxf than you take to make the 3D drawing. There are two approaches. The first is to take a photocopy of your paper drawing and mark it up with all the dimensions of components that you think you will need, then draw directly in your 3D software from your dimensions. The second approach is to scan the drawing and import the raster scan directly into your 3D software. you can then trace it into 3D.
The first approach is more tedious, but the second requires more confidence in your 3D skills.




Bill Bedford
Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #30646 is a reply to message #30631 ] Mon, 11 July 2011 20:07 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The existing HO model is only for reference. Though that model has some inaccuracies that the model I would produce would be corrected. So i'm wondering, since the existing model is based on a prototype, if i were able to scan it so it can create a 3D rendering, and correct the inaccuracies, since this wouldn't be for commerical purposes (i.e. selling it) I could then produce the accurate model. Does that sound plausible?

The trick will be finding a place that can do 3D scanning and having what is scanned inputed into a CAD format

Ken L
Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #30647 is a reply to message #30646 ] Mon, 11 July 2011 20:22 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reproducing for yourself would not be an issue, offering it for sale might be.

If you can take some decent all-around pictures of the model, you might be able to get a point cloud/mesh via http://www.my3dscanner.com/

Failing that, you'd be looking at some serious kit to scan an HO scale model.

If you have the blueprints of the original, I'd be happy to help you out creating a 3D model suitable for 3D printing.

Paul
Another question to ask before this goes any further is... [message #30651 is a reply to message #30631 ] Mon, 11 July 2011 21:11 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... how much per model would it cost. Is there a way to get a rough idea before I spend too much time proceeding down this path. The model is of a HO Scale caboose. About 1.125" wide, no more than 2.5" tall, and about 4" long. I mean if the end product is going to cost more than $50 per unit, then it is beyond my budget.

Ken L
Re: Another question to ask before this goes any further is... [message #30678 is a reply to message #30651 ] Tue, 12 July 2011 05:33 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pricing is done by the volume of material used, you can get an overview of all the materials on the Materials Comparison Sheet. The volume used for your model would depend on the wall thicknesses, but I'm guestimating at the size you want it would more $50. You could get a more accurate idea by measuring the surface area of the model (in mm), multiplying by wall thickness & dividing by 1000 to get cubic centimeters.

Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #31113 is a reply to message #30646 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 02:35 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Ken,

Our company, 3D Scan Services, LLC, can scan your object and provide a 3D CAD model in STL or many other formats. You can then use the STL file for 3D printing. Please visit our website if you are interested: . Go to the "request a quote" page and submit a photo of your object and will send you a firm price quote. We scan many small objects and can produce an STL file for as little as $100. We also do all kinds of reverse engineering, but that often isn't necessary for 3D printing purposes. Thank you and good luck.

Mike Black
Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #31114 is a reply to message #31113 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 02:43 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the reply! Quick question, is the fee mentioned a one time fee per "object" that is, once the file is created for that fee, then many copies can be made?

I apologize for not following up on this. Some other projects have gotten placed on the front burner, and this one has been put on "simmer" and pushed to the back! I hope to focus on it soon!

Ken L
Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #31116 is a reply to message #31114 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 02:48 UTC Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, Ken. It is a one time fee for our service. You can make as many copies of the CAD file as you want.

Mike
Re: Hi, new to 3D Printing and Inquiring if it can do what I need... [message #31118 is a reply to message #31116 ] Tue, 19 July 2011 03:50 UTC Go to previous message
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In simple words, YES an HO caboose is going to cost more than $50.

You are going to want as smooth and detail of a surface as possible, and FUD or FD are the smoothest materials available.

A 38' caboose, 10' wide and 12' tall would be 133mm x 35mm x 42mm in HO scale. At 1/2mm thick, a simple rectangular box of that size will be ~12cm3 of material.

That translates to $33 in FD and $46 in FUD... without adding all kinds of details to make it worthy of putting on the rails.

The trouble is.. 1/2mm walls on something that large might be too fragile. If you were to make the walls 1.0mm thick .. the FD price would jump to $60 and FUD would go to $86

[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2011 03:52 UTC]


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