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Black Nylon 11: Different from our current Black Strong & Flexible, Black Nylon 11 is actually printed in a black powder. This material has slightly different properties than the former because it is a different type of Nylon (our White Strong & Flexible is a Nylon 12 and this one is Nylon 11).

https://www.shapeways.com/materials/black-nylon-11

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This looks really nice! But I see the current price is a bit over twice the price from Black Strong & Flexible. Does the current pilot pricings reflect a somewhat accurate price of what the public will get if this goes live for everyone? I know it will probably change, but could it change dramatically enough to match the current BS&F prices or will it stay on that much more expensive range?

Is it elastic like the elasto plastic?

Is Black Nylon 11 the final name for this product? Perhaps True Black Nylon since it is made w/ black powder versus dyed?

Actually this would appear to be a "Black Elasto" (EOS PA1102), unless they are trialling an entirely new and as-yet undisclosed EOS material (or using third-party supplies in their EOSint printers, which seems even less likely).

mkroeker
Actually this would appear to be a "Black Elasto" (EOS PA1102), unless they are trialling an entirely new and as-yet undisclosed EOS material (or using third-party supplies in their EOSint printers, which seems even less likely).

~ Its PA1102, so its nylon not elasto

mvezza
Is Black Nylon 11 the final name for this product? Perhaps True Black Nylon since it is made w/ black powder versus dyed?

~ Right now we're calling it 11 because its in the name. The idea is to strike a balance between how we like to title public faces materials (Strong and Flexible) and Pilot materials in a way that's understandable and memorable. I already forgot its technically called

stannum
Is it elastic like the elasto plastic?

~ No, we haven't extensively tested it but it feels similar as strong and flexible

joabaldwin
This looks really nice! But I see the current price is a bit over twice the price from Black Strong & Flexible. Does the current pilot pricings reflect a somewhat accurate price of what the public will get if this goes live for everyone? I know it will probably change, but could it change dramatically enough to match the current BS&F prices or will it stay on that much more expensive range?

~I can't really comment on future prices but we price everything as low as we can for right now

Elasto == EOS PA1101 , no ?

Will it be polished black?

It won't be polished yet but its certainly a possibility, having a nylon that's fully black will make it much easier to polish

Hello,

Nice to see new materials.
However: why is Nylon 11 an interesting material? Is the surface quality a lot better then WSF? Is it like FUD?
Hopefully the design guidelines are not correct. 0.75 mm for minimum embossed details makes this material not interesting for scale models. Sure you are sure about this?
The current price set does not allow larger designs. So I'm a bit puzzled what the USP's are of this material.

Regards,
Maurice
RAILNSCALE
http://railnscale.com/

For giggles and grins I just selected the black nylon option for this guy in a purchase.



The full color plastic process doesn't produce a great shade of black and solid cubes using FCP can have sides that are not flat due to warping or sagging. SF plastics have better geometric stability so I hope that will translate to this material. I will fill the pips with white paint or paint the entire thing and then remove excess paint with some sanding. Sanding is a tricky proposition for regular black SF because of the thin dyed layer.. Hopefully the price will be reduced if BN11 is made public.

I received today my first "black nylon 11" object. It is a small invertible Cube.

Material is not very different from the "black strong&flexible". Only inside (if you cut) it is also black.
I wish it could be polished. It would give a better feeling to touch.
Perfect would be polished and same price as other "strong&flexible plastic polished"!

It you want people to use this, then it should be priced equal to white strong-and-flexible, and below black (dyed) strong-and-flexible. Basically, it is saving you a step. And, yes, you should off it polished for the same price as white strong-and-flexible - polished.

I presume that the same equipment and processes work with both. Or an I wrong around something here?

Best,
Andrew

Just a guess but the price difference would probably cover additional machines and build out into a new room to avoid cross contamination of powders, possibly more expensive powder, lowered or unknown yields, lower quantities, and more human touch time to buzz around the machines to get the process stabilized. That's not to say they can't lower prices in the future but they seem to often get caught with their pants down when they figure out it cost more to print objects than for what they sell them. They could be approaching this introduction from a different angle. And then it looks better in the future to say "New! Improved lower pricing!"

Got my black die yesterday. Looks pretty black in real life with nice consistent color. One side is a tiny bit concave probably because it was facing down in the printer. Definitely not casino quality but just fine for board games. It's very slight bowing and a polishing process might even that out. But overall it's pretty good so I think I'll put some white paint in the pip holes and call it a day.

]I received my print and my experience with the material was that it's quite a bit smoother than dyed WSF. But the photos on this forum indicate that my experience is the exception rather than the rule. It's also more porous, which can be problematical for those of us that like to paint our prints. Because of these reasons I will not be repeating the experiment with it unless the price comes WAY down. It would have to be within a dollar or two of BSF for me to consider ordering in this material again.

Just printed this little guy in black nylon (https://www.shapeways.com/product/994C829AE/the-thugmeister). The Thugmeister is a multi part model that comes on a sprue and has to be assembled post print.

Noticed several areas have inconsistent shades, for example his chest is lighter than the rest of him. The discolouration on his right foot is due to the cyanoacrylate glue I used on him to tighten his joints.

Speaking of joints, he has really loose joints due to inconsistent tolerances. Even for simple peg and peghole systems, a (what was supposed to be) 3mm diameter rod fits very loosely in a (what was supposed to be) 3mm diameter hole.

The powder feels chalky and light, similar to what other commenters are describing. Chalkier and lighter than White Strong Flexible equivalents.
I do love the shade of black though. Not too dark like original Black Strong Flexible; you can still see light reflecting of surfaces.

uhg I see what you mean... I'll share this feedback with the team.

I received my first black nylon prints today...

Within seconds of the same amount of minor handling that I've done for 'strong and flexible', it shattered into pieces. Black Nylon material is pretty different than the 'strong and flexible', it should be called 'Brittle and Inflexible'. Black Nylon print is also tiny bit smoother, lighter in shade, and lighter in weight than the 'strong and flexible' dyed black.

I was hoping to use black nylon in the same way as strong and flexible, with the bonus of being able to polish it.. but these materials are different enough that they can't be used interchangeably with the same design for any light impact or functional application.

I see a lot of complaints about the performance of the black nylon 11. Is there a reason that Shapeways can't order and sinter the same nylon 12 that you use in white, but get the powder in black instead?