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can i ask if it's possible to also buy only the wax model? :$
or in the near future :-D

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i'm going to start trying to make a nice ring,,, can't let this offer pass by! thanx shapeways
#1 Mitchell Jetten on 2010-10-13 15:28 (Reply)
Hi Jettuh,

not right now, but who knows!

Bart
#1.1 Bart Veldhuizen on 2010-10-13 15:40 (Reply)
thanx for the answer :-D

tried of thinking what sort of ring to make,, can't think of anything really :-P where is my imagineation :-(
#1.1.1 Mitchell Jetten on 2010-10-13 15:42 (Reply)
Dude, we all expect at least one Train ring ;-)
#1.1.1.1 Virtox on 2010-10-13 16:10 (Reply)
tried to print a train in silver (scale 1:220) but it was 140euro... bit expensive
but maybe soon a train like ring :-D
#1.1.1.1.1 Mitchell Jetten on 2010-10-13 16:53 (Reply)
I would rather be able to order the wax print as I like to do my own casting. Please consider this as an option.
#1.1.1.1.1.1 Lincoln Kamm on 2010-10-13 18:19 (Reply)
Yes, please consider providing waxes! That potential option excites me more and may be more practical for some prints.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.1 meg on 2010-10-14 00:59 (Reply)
will be interested to see how the quality compares to my current supplier. the price is great.
#2 Jessica (Homepage) on 2010-10-13 15:53 (Reply)
Hey Jessica, let us know either way! We will work until you are happy with the quality. regards, Peter
#2.1 Peter Weijmarshausen on 2010-10-13 18:59 (Reply)
unfortunately, I tried to order my design but was told it could not be produced in glossy finish. Although a NYC based company produces this for us already and charges a similar amount for a glossy polished finishing

images of the pieces here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jrosenk/3513790981/lightbox/

obviously I do not expect the unreachable interior portion of the structure to be polished (as you can see in the picture that part isn't polished and appears white)

is there any way you guys can make these for us? obviously anything I design will have some unreachable portions.... or else what would be the point in having a new wax 3dprinted each time..... simpler designs can just be molded.
ooooh lovely stuff!
#2.1.1.1 Medusa on 2010-10-18 18:33 (Reply)
Hi Jessica, ok to be expected that the production guys are a bit conservative (we have just started) but indeed your design looks do-able. Can you share your feedback with service? Just copy me on the mail. Should be possible to help you. :-) Peter
#2.1.1.2 Peter Weijmarshausen on 2010-10-18 18:58 (Reply)
done. thanks Peter, hope this works out. have some other interesting designs in the works.
Yay! What I like is the level of detail that seems possible. I recently had a pendant with a lot of lettering printed in s/s and some of this is difficult to read due to the lettering size.

Glenn
#3 Glenn Slingsby (Homepage) on 2010-10-13 17:36 (Reply)
Question: When designing, say, an earring, would it be possible to get the hook in silver (for those with allergies) and the pendant in stainless steel? Would it be possible to get this in one design, or would I then have to make/order the hooks separately from the pendants and then fröbbel them together myself?
#4 Nathalie on 2010-10-13 19:52 (Reply)
Shapeways doesn't mix materials in one order...
#4.1 Glenn Slingsby (Homepage) on 2010-10-13 20:58 (Reply)
Shapeways does not mix materials in 1 model! You can order several products in different materials. So you could order the hooks in silver, the pendents in stainless, but you have to assemble yourself.
#4.1.1 Peter Weijmarshausen on 2010-10-13 21:00 (Reply)
Peter and Glenn, thanks. I thought so, but wasn't sure. 'Fröbbelen' it is then. ;-)
Great that I can order silver hooks now, though! I'm allergic to most other materials in jewelry, so YAY! ;-)
#4.1.1.1 Nathalie on 2010-10-13 21:03 (Reply)
but why only the hooks ;-) ?
#4.1.1.1.1 Peter Weijmarshausen on 2010-10-13 21:12 (Reply)
True, true, but whatever I hang on those hooks doesn't come in direct contact with the skin and doesn't nééd to be silver perse... Silver is much prettier, absolutely, but for now, price wise, the stainless steel is more affordable. ;-)

Rings and necklaces however, make full contact, so Shapeways can expect some business from me in the silver department either way. ;-)
#4.1.1.1.1.1 Nathalie on 2010-10-13 21:21 (Reply)
We will be working on the price !
#4.1.1.1.1.1.1 Peter Weijmarshausen on 2010-10-13 21:31 (Reply)
That'd be great! I'll do my share and order while you get there! :-D
#4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Nathalie on 2010-10-13 21:35 (Reply)
I think even if you could print in mixed metals, it would be much much cheaper to buy sterling silver earring wires from a findings company. H S Walsh does 5 pairs for £10, lots of other companies out there and some individual silversmiths make more beautiful ones as well. Etsy is a good place to look.
#4.2 Gentle Medusa on 2010-10-16 09:23 (Reply)
I thought the big allergy issue was the nickel in the sterling silver, and that the stainless steel was the hypoallergenic option?
#4.3 Heather on 2010-10-17 16:58 (Reply)
sterling silver doesn't contain nickel, just a bit of copper, so you shouldn't get an allergy. That said if you are super-duper sensitive (and I know some are, mu Sis in Law for one), there are findings available in new alloys of sterling which are even less reactive than the copper based alloys. I think Cooksons in the UK has them. called something like Reflections silver? I think it uses germanium or something and is harder than sterling and less prone to tarnish. I haven't tried it though.

If you used pure silver I think that the softness would prove problematic unless you used a fairly thick gauge of wire. Maybe titanium would be a better option for all?
#4.3.1 Anonymous on 2010-10-18 18:27 (Reply)
sorry, that Anonymous was me... forgot to add my name!
#4.3.1.1 Gentle Medusa on 2010-10-18 18:51 (Reply)
So I order 4 of my rings in polished silver ! :-) , I'm looking forward to seeing them and holding them in my hands .. I will surely post some pictures of them when they arrive !
#5 Václav Mazaný on 2010-10-14 09:50 (Reply)
excellent - will try this out later today.

Question: what wax printer do you use for this? Specs? I see there is visible layers on Tge Braille ring example above...and it seems to be more on that ring than on the wax example here: http://www.shapeways.com/blog/archives/520-Very-high-detail-printing...-also-in-wax.html

Is that due to lower quality vs higher print speed...or is it just that layer artefacts become more visible once cast?

Just curious... ;-)

Cheers //O.
#6 Odd on 2010-10-14 12:23 (Reply)
The sample of the braille ring in the other post was printed on a different printer that allows for very high detail printing... hence the title ;-)

The printer we use in the silver casting process shows a bit more layers that indeed will be come a bit more visible once cast in shiny silver. With the glossy finish you will less to non layers in you model.

Peter Paul
#6.1 Peter Paul Cornelissen on 2010-10-14 13:55 (Reply)
And here's a tip for anyone who makes very small items of jewellery, etc.; a small cross of mine in stainless steel costs $2.70, in silver it's $30 because of the minimum order price. If I ever order it I will simply upload a new file with two or more crosses in the same file, thus reducing the cost per item...

Glenn
#7 Glenn Slingsby on 2010-10-14 22:49 (Reply)
So is anyone going to mention the shrinkage you get with casting metals?
It can mean the difference between a ring fitting & not fitting, unless you are able to resize with a triblet.

I think it is usually around 5-10%, which can mean going up a ring size, or even one and a half sizes. Traditionally the waxes are cast too, so that adds an extra amount of shrinkage so I may be overestimating, but it will shrink as it cools.

It may be worth a mention in the guide.
#8 Drew on 2010-10-15 13:26 (Reply)
I've read it's around 1 to 3% when investigating other priniting services...but definitely something to keep an eye on!

I wouldn't be surprised if this is something they compensate for in the processing of the files...?

//O.
#8.1 Odd on 2010-10-15 14:09 (Reply)
Maybe Shapeways does "compensate" for shrinkage but it is difficult to know from one printing to the next just by how much it will alter, and from what I've read from other customers I think I will never design something that has to have an EXACT fit - like an iPhone cover - because they never print the same size.

Glenn
#8.1.1 Glenn Slingsby on 2010-10-15 20:53 (Reply)
Yes, we do take shrinkage into account when preparing the models. We expect a tolerance of about 0.25mm when the model is finished (depending on the model's size and structure, I presume).

Bart
#8.1.2 Bart Veldhuizen on 2010-10-19 08:00 (Reply)
Wow. Just *Wow*.

Where to start? Hmm...
#9 Matt (Homepage) on 2010-10-15 21:55 (Reply)
Looks like Shapeways going into jewellery manufacturing business now!!!!!!!
#10 a.p on 2010-10-17 20:39 (Reply)
Can Shapeways please answer this, then: In your page describing the design rules for silver you state: "3.Large thin surfaces are difficult to reproduce. A 25x25mm square that is 1 mm thick will turn out..."

However, when I submit a flat pendant design, unless it is 3mm thick it is not accepted as printable in metal? Previously, most of my pendants were 2mm thick and then suddenly they weren't printable in s/steel and I had to re-model and re-upload the thin designs.

Glenn
#11 Glenn Slingsby on 2010-10-21 18:40 (Reply)
Hi Shapeways! This is great! Is there any way you can produce print in WAX prior to the casting process so us designers can then get them cast ourselves? This will prove less time and manufacturing process for yourselves and allows us to cast in whatever metal we require. Just a suggestion.

I hope this gets considered!

Alister
#12 Alister Yiap (Homepage) on 2010-10-27 16:39 (Reply)
New question--I have a jewelry product that includes 2 components connected by a hinge pin. In working with a lost wax casting house on a different form factor, I have learned that each component shrinks uniquely--so trial and error was necessary to get them to fit together properly. Would I have the same issue with your prototype process? You are casting the silver and not doing an SLA type process so I would think yes.
#13 Traci on 2010-11-04 15:45 (Reply)
Yes, our objects shrink uniquely as well. Our operators try to compensate for that, but if you need a tight match I guess you'll need to do some experimenting.
#13.1 Bart on 2010-11-16 10:44 (Reply)
So, now that the silver is now longer available. Are there already any news if it will be offered again and when ?
#14 Václav Mazaný on 2010-11-11 18:35 (Reply)
Sadly, no. We're still working on that.
#14.1 Bart Veldhuizen on 2010-11-16 09:27 (Reply)
Hi Bart,

In case you are thinking of reviving the silver...how about working with a casting company to offer the printed wax models cast in a range of metals? (using the same excellent cubic cm pricing?)

Also, I don't think I'm alone in hoping for high detail resin printing using those wax printers...

Any chance any of those two may happen?

Just thought I'd ask ;-)

Many thanks for an excellent service!!

Cheers //O.
#14.1.1 Odd nydren on 2010-11-16 10:17 (Reply)
New materials and processes are always on our mind, but I can't disclose what we're working on ;-)
#14.1.1.1 Bart on 2010-11-16 10:50 (Reply)

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