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Can you dye it? Or paint it? I notice all the examples are white ...
#1 George Bell on 2009-09-17 16:21 (Reply)

The material is an ABS plastic so you should be able to paint it regularly such as other ABS's. I would not think Dyeing is an option, but have not tried it.

The material itself, as you buy it from Shapeways is currently White.
#1.1 Joris Peels on 2009-09-17 16:23 (Reply)
Would this be usable as a dish and dishwasher safe?

If you could stack the plates into "one" model, you could make a full set for really cheap. Talk about taking custom dishware to a new height.
#2 Wil Wade on 2009-09-17 18:04 (Reply)

For all of our materials and the products that we ship we explicitly say that thy meant for decorative use only. You could put this material in a dishwasher though.

#2.1 Joris on 2009-09-17 18:50 (Reply)
Wow, I can't wait to print my first 3d models. I'm really loving the pricing on this site, it seems a lot cheaper than other sites I've seen. how big of a model will the 25$ order get me approximately?
#3 Davioware on 2009-09-17 22:06 (Reply)

We should at all times be cheaper than anyone else. If this is not the case tell us, but this hasn't happened yet.

$25 would get you a model that is a bit bigger than 17 cubic centimeters if it were completely solid. That price includes shipping.

So a solid cube would be around 2.6 by 2.6 by 2.5 CM. Not very big, to be frank. But since our pricing is based on volume a hollow cube could be much bigger.

This Beltloop Cardholder for example:

Is 6.2 by 9.4 by 1.7 CM. So much bigger in size but the volume of the model is similar to that tiny cube. The Beltloop would cost $23.
#3.1 Joris on 2009-09-18 07:32 (Reply)
why is it only available for a couple of weeks?
Is there plans for it to be permanent?
#4 John Wilson on 2009-09-17 23:05 (Reply)

With all our materials we have a testing period of a few weeks. We do this to see what the uptake of the material is in our community. We also then go over any production issues, costs and unforeseen problems. Once we get the community feedback we determine your enthusiasm and how happy you are with this material.

If you guys want to continue with the material we will. But, if for some reason it does not inspire you or you guys simply are not buying it then we scrap the material so we can concentrate on fewer materials.
#4.1 Joris on 2009-09-18 07:13 (Reply)
The new glossy "porcelain" looks great! Sometime soon I'll place my first order with you, to try out this material and maybe some others (budget allowing).

But I'd like to ask you to make one really good Materials Samples page. This page would have:

(A) Large photos -- your current photos are all puny pixel images, rarely larger than 500 pixels on the longest, so please give us at least 1500 pixels sized images.

(B) Good photos, with professional lighting which really showed off the look and feel of the materials. Most of your present photos are really bad, with one-source flash lighting and harsh shadows.

In sum, putting some more efforts into the photos would drastically increase your ability to showcase materials and printing quality to their best advantage.

That aside, please keep printing in as many dimensions as possible! :-)
#5 Klaus Nordby on 2009-09-18 15:12 (Reply)

We're working on a new type of materials page and this is the first peek:

We've never been asked for 1500 pixel images but if people want those we can see what we can do. We're going to work on improving the photos also.

#5.1 Joris Peels on 2009-09-18 15:39 (Reply)
That preliminary version looks great!
An overview-table would still be necessary for a quick glance but that is pretty clean and simple yet very informative :-D
#5.1.1 Tommy Strömgren on 2009-09-18 20:44 (Reply)
Hello, I've put my order in for a large gazebo to check this material out. It looks very exciting.

My questions are based around what the support material is like:
-Will it easily fall out as with SWF?
-does it have to be picked and washed out as with the detail materials?
-Is the support material expendable as with detail materials such that we can actually enclose it in a model or is valuable as primary material so that we could not enclose it?

#6 T. Shawn Johnson on 2009-09-22 04:09 (Reply)

The support material is explained here:

There are two variants a brown break away by hand/soluble material and a gunky hair gel like material that is water soluble. Either may be used this depends on the machine/how much of either is about etc. The support material is not as easy to remove as with White, Strong & Flexible. Depending on the machine, process and model it might need a waterjet.

Our first video shows you how to remove it in a simple model:
Bart's puzzle though is kind of a best case scenario for removing support material. We don't get many orders that are that simple to do.

I would not do the enclosing thing with this material. If the brown material is used it would look ugly. And even the other stuff just looks like you dropped your model in a vat of hair gel. Also because of the nature of the FDM process the support material also surrounds the model. Check out the pictures on the post.
#6.1 Joris on 2009-09-22 06:47 (Reply)
That's too bad ... Because it makes the human element of creating the model that much more expensive. It must be so much easier to just dust out the SWF :-) And it seems like it makes semi hollow models (like my wizards, gnomes, santas, and the nifty lil new squid someone produced recently) very hard to clean. Is this true?

Would you advise against semi-hollow models because of the possible breakage in the cleaning process?

#6.1.1 T. Shawn Johnson on 2009-09-23 16:03 (Reply)

The models are indeed a bit harder to clean than White, Strong & Flexible.

That kind of information is something we hope to learn from this trial. I would not advise against making hollow models per se but hollow models with very delicate structures inside might be problematic.
# Joris on 2009-09-23 16:21 (Reply)
Got it! Thanks! :-)
# T. Shawn Johnson on 2009-09-23 17:04 (Reply)

I'm disappointed to hear that my puzzle cubes cannot be printed in White Glaze. I was hoping to display them at Dutch Cube Day.

I placed a $42 order for my latest design but it has been rejected. I can only assume that this is because each piece has to be over the $23 threshold. Is this correct?

If so, multi-part models like puzzles will never be economical to print. This puzzle has 9 pieces of different sizes. The smallest piece consists of 6 unit cubes and the whole puzzle, 122 units. If I had to scale the smallest piece up to a $23 size, the whole cube would cost nearly $470!

#7 Richard Gain (Homepage) on 2009-10-01 15:04 (Reply)

Puzzles do pose a conundrum for this particular pricing model.

Since the process is very manual, small models and multi-piece models would be prohibitively expensive to do. We tried to cap that here with a price per model and did not fully consider that then it would not be possible to do muli-piece models.

So, I'm sorry that the restriction makes it less than economical for you right now. But, if we look at all the costs of all the materials you might be happy to find out that typically the pricing model has been skewed in your favor until now.
#7.1 Joris on 2009-10-01 17:48 (Reply)

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